Help please

m135976 · 06-18-2010, 01:00 AM

First off let me say this is my first post and I am new to what appears to be a very passionate hobby, so I would appreciate your patience and understanding. While I shall continue to do my own independent research I would appreciate any help the forum at large can offer.

The Story:

My grandfather in Europe during WWII managed to obtain a German Rifle, on the boat back to the U.S. he met up with another GI who obtained a Luger in a similar fashion. The man being a hunter decided he had use for a rifle rather then a pistol and traded it to my grandfather. Obviously it became an heirloom of sorts and was given to my father after my grandfather passed away from a heart attack. Unfortunately our house was burglarized a few years ago and the Luger was among the things taken, far more valuable then any of the stereo equipment also taken.

I would like to see what it would take to obtain a replacement. While it may not have the same sentimental value I would at least like to explore the option and see what is possible.

Unbeknowst to me was how many different models there are. I believe I have identified it based on observation only, It is the second one from the bottom but I can not quite read the exact model number

My questions for the forum experts are as follows:

What kind of Luger is the one I managed to identify?
What would the cost of an authentic replacement run? (assuming it is in realitivly good condition?)

Edward Tinker · 06-18-2010, 01:43 AM

Scott, welcome to the forum. If it has a grip safety it could be 1 of several models.

If looking for a replacement a standard WW2 model that would have been common to be picked up would suffice?

A grip safety is less likely to have been used by the germans during the war, so it is possible, but less liky that what I stated above as a replacement.

There are $600 reblued guns, there are $1000-$1200 guns that are nice WW1 or WW2 unmessed with guns in nice, decent shape; then the value goes up for condition being extra special to being matched magazine(s) or rarer varations.

Ed

MFC · 06-18-2010, 01:46 AM

Hi Scott,
This poster is made up of rather rare and exspensive variations. The second from the bottom is a .45 cal. US Test Luger. One of two known to exist. One of them was sold at auction a few months ago for over $500,000. There are over 500 variations. Prices of nice all original Lugers start at about $1000 and go up. The majority seem to be between $1500 to $2500.

m135976 · 06-18-2010, 02:29 AM

I assume that it is not that special MFC. I had my father point out which one best matched the one he remembered, but it has been a while. I believe he was comparing it to the others in terms of realitive size and shape. What kind would have been common for a solider to pickup in WWII? Are there any known dealers that are especially reputable for these? Also if you could elaborate on reblue, I am unfamiliar with such a term. Thank you for your speedy response and help. It is largely apparent I came to the right place

Edward Tinker · 06-18-2010, 02:59 AM

I think I gave advice above...

I can go into detail, but do some searches and see what has previously sold here; read some posts, read the FAQ, etc

Ed

DavidJayUden · 06-18-2010, 07:51 AM

You may want to surf various web sites, including Simpson Ltd. to get a firmer idea of what model that you want.
Good luck.
dju

mrerick · 06-18-2010, 10:22 AM

The Lugers manufactured by Mauser from the mid 1930's through 1942 are well made pistols that would have been used through World War II. I like them, and would recommend looking for one of them.

There are many variations, some rare, some more common.

The parts on Lugers are mostly numbered to match the serial number on the frame (in front by the trigger guard) and barrel. Those places got the complete number. Other numbered parts got the last 2 digits.

Look for a gun with all of these parts matching. It's the way most guns brought back from Europe would have been maintained.

Refinishing a Luger drops it's interest and value to collectors. You may not care about this, and will find less expensive guns that often were competently done.

You want a military proofed gun, rather than a commercial one. Original finish and grips, or as close as possible to this. Avoid nickel plated and extensively decorated guns.

You should be able to find one of these for around $1000 or less.

A few years ago, the Russians / East Germans sold off their stock of Lugers that had been captured after the way, and used by their police forces. These were sold for less than $500 by importers. Most were poorly refinished, and most have replacement parts and electro-penciled marks to "force match" them. I've seen a few that were very nicely done, and those might be less expensive when they become available.

The better way to ask might be to estimate your budget for a Luger and ask for suggestions on what to look for at that price range...

Marc

Railsplitter · 06-18-2010, 12:13 PM

Looking at production numbers alone the biggest Luger runs produced by Mauser for the Nazi military, as far as anyone can determine, were the 42 Code 1940 Dated, the byf Code 41 Dated and the byf Code 42 dated, I believe. So, perhaps odds are ...

06-18-2010, 01:00 AM	#1
m135976 New User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help please First off let me say this is my first post and I am new to what appears to be a very passionate hobby, so I would appreciate your patience and understanding. While I shall continue to do my own independent research I would appreciate any help the forum at large can offer. The Story: My grandfather in Europe during WWII managed to obtain a German Rifle, on the boat back to the U.S. he met up with another GI who obtained a Luger in a similar fashion. The man being a hunter decided he had use for a rifle rather then a pistol and traded it to my grandfather. Obviously it became an heirloom of sorts and was given to my father after my grandfather passed away from a heart attack. Unfortunately our house was burglarized a few years ago and the Luger was among the things taken, far more valuable then any of the stereo equipment also taken. I would like to see what it would take to obtain a replacement. While it may not have the same sentimental value I would at least like to explore the option and see what is possible. Unbeknowst to me was how many different models there are. I believe I have identified it based on observation only, It is the second one from the bottom but I can not quite read the exact model number My questions for the forum experts are as follows: What kind of Luger is the one I managed to identify? What would the cost of an authentic replacement run? (assuming it is in realitivly good condition?) Last edited by m135976; 06-18-2010 at 03:41 AM.

06-18-2010, 01:43 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Scott, welcome to the forum. If it has a grip safety it could be 1 of several models. If looking for a replacement a standard WW2 model that would have been common to be picked up would suffice? A grip safety is less likely to have been used by the germans during the war, so it is possible, but less liky that what I stated above as a replacement. There are $600 reblued guns, there are $1000-$1200 guns that are nice WW1 or WW2 unmessed with guns in nice, decent shape; then the value goes up for condition being extra special to being matched magazine(s) or rarer varations. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-18-2010, 01:46 AM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Scott, This poster is made up of rather rare and exspensive variations. The second from the bottom is a .45 cal. US Test Luger. One of two known to exist. One of them was sold at auction a few months ago for over $500,000. There are over 500 variations. Prices of nice all original Lugers start at about $1000 and go up. The majority seem to be between $1500 to $2500. __________________ Mike C.

06-18-2010, 02:59 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	I think I gave advice above... I can go into detail, but do some searches and see what has previously sold here; read some posts, read the FAQ, etc Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-18-2010, 02:29 AM	#4
m135976 New User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I assume that it is not that special MFC. I had my father point out which one best matched the one he remembered, but it has been a while. I believe he was comparing it to the others in terms of realitive size and shape. What kind would have been common for a solider to pickup in WWII? Are there any known dealers that are especially reputable for these? Also if you could elaborate on reblue, I am unfamiliar with such a term. Thank you for your speedy response and help. It is largely apparent I came to the right place

06-18-2010, 07:51 AM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	You may want to surf various web sites, including Simpson Ltd. to get a firmer idea of what model that you want. Good luck. dju

06-18-2010, 10:22 AM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The Lugers manufactured by Mauser from the mid 1930's through 1942 are well made pistols that would have been used through World War II. I like them, and would recommend looking for one of them. There are many variations, some rare, some more common. The parts on Lugers are mostly numbered to match the serial number on the frame (in front by the trigger guard) and barrel. Those places got the complete number. Other numbered parts got the last 2 digits. Look for a gun with all of these parts matching. It's the way most guns brought back from Europe would have been maintained. Refinishing a Luger drops it's interest and value to collectors. You may not care about this, and will find less expensive guns that often were competently done. You want a military proofed gun, rather than a commercial one. Original finish and grips, or as close as possible to this. Avoid nickel plated and extensively decorated guns. You should be able to find one of these for around $1000 or less. A few years ago, the Russians / East Germans sold off their stock of Lugers that had been captured after the way, and used by their police forces. These were sold for less than $500 by importers. Most were poorly refinished, and most have replacement parts and electro-penciled marks to "force match" them. I've seen a few that were very nicely done, and those might be less expensive when they become available. The better way to ask might be to estimate your budget for a Luger and ask for suggestions on what to look for at that price range... Marc

06-18-2010, 12:13 PM	#8
Railsplitter User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts	Looking at production numbers alone the biggest Luger runs produced by Mauser for the Nazi military, as far as anyone can determine, were the 42 Code 1940 Dated, the byf Code 41 Dated and the byf Code 42 dated, I believe. So, perhaps odds are ...