Krieghoff Luger

jay Christensen · 11-23-2009, 07:28 PM

I've inherited my Dad's Luger. It is stamped Heinrich Krieghoff Waffenfabrik Suhl on the side and 819 up near the barrel and P819 under the barrel. There is also a very small symbol that resembles a crown or a star with either a number 11 or N underneath it. On the top is an Anchor symbol with a capitol H and K on each side of the anchor and Krieghoff Suhl stamped underneath. I have an extra magazine and holster. My Dad was stationed at an airbase in Germany and a German General flew his plane in to surrender to the Americans on the second to last day of the war. He handed his Luger to my Dad and my Dad smuggled it home. Everything is in beautiful condition. How much might this gun be worth?

jay Christensen · 11-23-2009, 07:29 PM

Here are additional photos

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2009, 07:36 PM

Does either magazine match?

Krieghoff's are worth a lot, although condition is everything, you'll want to have it verified by an krieghoff expert who will be able to tell if all matching.

My feeling is that it is worth (if all matching) at $7,000-$10,000

Most lugers are not even close to this amount, it is simply because it is a P code (commeriical model) and in excellent shape.

Ed

cma22inc · 11-23-2009, 08:50 PM

cirelaw · 11-23-2009, 09:12 PM

You have a documentable early civilian Kreighoff, worth more than you think!

saab-bob · 11-23-2009, 09:28 PM

Incredible gun! That is like winning the lottery!

Quick question for the forum members.
I am curious about the holster. It looks like a post war commercial holster. Would that same style have been available during the war?
Thanks
Bob

rolandtg · 11-23-2009, 09:33 PM

Beautiful Luger!
Is it missing the stock lug or is it just the angle at which the photo was taken?
Is that a P-38 holster??

jay Christensen · 11-23-2009, 09:47 PM

I have no idea what the stock lug is.

alvin · 11-23-2009, 10:14 PM

Stock lug is as pointed. Have a picture of that area?

cirelaw · 11-24-2009, 10:18 AM

I wondered if there were stock lugs on almost all the luger, where are all the stocks. Were they the same as those on the navy or artillery?

RichSr · 11-24-2009, 10:35 AM

Eric,
The experts could better explain, but I believe all frames manufactured by DWM,Erfurt after sometime in 1913 (and subsequently Simson, Mauser, etc) incorporated the stock lugs.

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2009, 11:39 AM

they did, but they were not used for stocks most of the time

alanint · 11-24-2009, 11:42 AM

It would be a crime if this particular pistol had succumbed to the lug grinding hysteria of some years ago.....

cirelaw · 11-24-2009, 01:17 PM

Could You please post a picture of the back side. I just want to confirm which of 2 German manfacturers it is!

cirelaw · 11-24-2009, 01:46 PM

displayed on page 119, H. EGER & LINDE SCHMALDEN 1937 identical to mine.

jay Christensen · 11-24-2009, 08:11 PM

It looks like the stock lug has been filed off. I'm sure my Dad would not have done it, so it must have been done by the German officer who surrendered it to my Dad. One magazine has no number or markings on it and the other has 9631. Under the number is a script "b" and a + sign.

jay Christensen · 11-24-2009, 08:16 PM

I don't see any markings at all on the back side of the gun. What would tell you who manufactured the weapon?

suum cuique · 11-24-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay Christensen

It looks like the stock lug has been filed off. I'm sure my Dad would not have done it, so it must have been done by the German officer who surrendered it to my Dad. One magazine has no number or markings on it and the other has 9631. Under the number is a script "b" and a + sign.

If the stock lug was removed, this would decrease the value of your gun dramaticly

Ron Wood · 11-24-2009, 08:25 PM

Jay,
You have a really nice Krieghoff. The stock lug removal is not what we would like to see but it happens. Could you please post some photos of the area of the grip where the stock lug would be, both from the back and the bottom of the grip?
Thank you,
Ron

cirelaw · 11-24-2009, 08:58 PM

Solved and rarer. This was a rework as shown on 268-9.'These serial numbers on these reworked weapon will be those of the original manufacturer. Kreighoff did not renumber the weapons in their own range. Boy would I like to own this one.

11-23-2009, 07:28 PM	#1
jay Christensen User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Krieghoff Luger I've inherited my Dad's Luger. It is stamped Heinrich Krieghoff Waffenfabrik Suhl on the side and 819 up near the barrel and P819 under the barrel. There is also a very small symbol that resembles a crown or a star with either a number 11 or N underneath it. On the top is an Anchor symbol with a capitol H and K on each side of the anchor and Krieghoff Suhl stamped underneath. I have an extra magazine and holster. My Dad was stationed at an airbase in Germany and a German General flew his plane in to surrender to the Americans on the second to last day of the war. He handed his Luger to my Dad and my Dad smuggled it home. Everything is in beautiful condition. How much might this gun be worth? Attached Thumbnails

11-23-2009, 07:29 PM	#2
jay Christensen User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Krieghoff Luger Here are additional photos Attached Thumbnails

11-23-2009, 07:36 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Does either magazine match? Krieghoff's are worth a lot, although condition is everything, you'll want to have it verified by an krieghoff expert who will be able to tell if all matching. My feeling is that it is worth (if all matching) at $7,000-$10,000 Most lugers are not even close to this amount, it is simply because it is a P code (commeriical model) and in excellent shape. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-23-2009, 08:50 PM	#4
cma22inc User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay FL Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	__________________ Matt A. Tampa, FL (C&R) Collector

11-23-2009, 09:12 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Congradulations You have a documentable early civilian Kreighoff, worth more than you think! Attached Thumbnails

11-23-2009, 09:28 PM	#6
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Incredible gun! That is like winning the lottery! Quick question for the forum members. I am curious about the holster. It looks like a post war commercial holster. Would that same style have been available during the war? Thanks Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

11-23-2009, 09:33 PM	#7
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 378 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Beautiful Luger! Is it missing the stock lug or is it just the angle at which the photo was taken? Is that a P-38 holster??

11-23-2009, 09:47 PM	#8
jay Christensen User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have no idea what the stock lug is.

11-23-2009, 10:14 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Stock lug is as pointed. Have a picture of that area? Attached Images

11-24-2009, 10:18 AM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I wondered if there were stock lugs on almost all the luger, where are all the stocks. Were they the same as those on the navy or artillery?

11-24-2009, 10:35 AM	#11
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Eric, The experts could better explain, but I believe all frames manufactured by DWM,Erfurt after sometime in 1913 (and subsequently Simson, Mauser, etc) incorporated the stock lugs. __________________ Rich

11-24-2009, 11:39 AM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	they did, but they were not used for stocks most of the time

11-24-2009, 11:42 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It would be a crime if this particular pistol had succumbed to the lug grinding hysteria of some years ago.....

11-24-2009, 01:17 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Could You please post a picture of the back side. I just want to confirm which of 2 German manfacturers it is!

11-24-2009, 01:46 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This is a Dated Kreighoff Holster displayed on page 119, H. EGER & LINDE SCHMALDEN 1937 identical to mine. Attached Thumbnails

11-24-2009, 08:11 PM	#16
jay Christensen User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It looks like the stock lug has been filed off. I'm sure my Dad would not have done it, so it must have been done by the German officer who surrendered it to my Dad. One magazine has no number or markings on it and the other has 9631. Under the number is a script "b" and a + sign.

11-24-2009, 08:16 PM	#17
jay Christensen User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't see any markings at all on the back side of the gun. What would tell you who manufactured the weapon?

11-24-2009, 08:25 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	Jay, You have a really nice Krieghoff. The stock lug removal is not what we would like to see but it happens. Could you please post some photos of the area of the grip where the stock lug would be, both from the back and the bottom of the grip? Thank you, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-24-2009, 08:58 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Solved and rarer. This was a rework as shown on 268-9.'These serial numbers on these reworked weapon will be those of the original manufacturer. Kreighoff did not renumber the weapons in their own range. Boy would I like to own this one. Attached Thumbnails