New temptations...

Sergio Natali · 11-15-2014, 01:56 PM

Two reputable gunshops of my area have two pretty interesting lugers.
The first one is a DWM Commercial, a few thousands of this sort of Luger were made for the US civilian market in 1923.
The second one is a Mauser 29/70 made for the US market as well since it has got the "American Eagle" mark.
I'm a bit torn wether to get one or not, as after all they are not that rare at all.

Sergio

hansfischer007 · 11-15-2014, 05:37 PM

My Main problem would be to come up with a "Believeable story" for the Wife......."Honey....this guy on the Luger forum was needing money and sold me this Luger for only $300.00 ....and then made me a heck of a deal.....BOTH for ONLY $500.00....................................Honestly

Lugerdoc · 11-15-2014, 06:37 PM

If you can get both for $500, you should be able to resell in the $2000 range. TH

alvin · 11-15-2014, 06:57 PM

If she's not tracking the balance, no need to tell her the acquisition. If she's tracking the balance,,,, will this story work?

MFC · 11-15-2014, 09:50 PM

Very nice 'Safe and Loaded'. It was one of a 2000 gun contract by Stoeger (approx. S#'s 89700 to 91700). Not easy to find. I would think it would be even harder to find in Italy. These use to sell for $1500-$1800 range here in the US.
BTW, Kenyon got it wrong by calling them 1923 Commercials... S#'s 75000 to 92000 were made from 1919 to 1921. The 'Safe and Loaded' contract was at the end, so probably made in 1921.

ithacaartist · 11-15-2014, 11:32 PM

If I were forced to make a choice, I'd get the Stoeger. I'm swayed by the extractor and safe position auf english... The Mauser has that old-style/Swiss charm, but I think the 6" barrel (My favorite shooter is a 6" .30 Luger.) is a child of the 70s compared to classic original factory configurations? I'll bet Gerben knows...

Handsome pieces, both.

sheepherder · 11-15-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Two reputable gunshops of my area have two pretty interesting lugers.

If they are in your area, aren't they the dreaded 9mm x 21mm 'civilian' cartridge configuration??? Or are they both 7.65mm???

Sergio Natali · 11-16-2014, 04:38 AM

Yes they are both in the original cal.7,65 Luger.

To me it's just a matter of choosing the "less common" of the two, and I agree surely it's the former one, although as I said is not that rare either.
One more consideration, here is being sold for the equivalent of almost USD 3,000.00 which is think is probably too much.

Sergio

spacecoast · 11-19-2014, 07:36 PM

I paid $1300 for a Safe and Loaded in good shape about a month ago (Gunbroker). Actually a fairly rare variation, only about 125 have been documented on Dwight Gruber's list, although more undoubtedly still exist.

Douglas Jr. · 11-24-2014, 03:03 PM

Sergio,
Without doubt, I would get the "Safe & Loaded" Commercial.
Not so common variation made for a specific dealer.

alvin · 11-24-2014, 10:18 PM

Buy DWM. Post-war Mauser Parabellum can wait -- it's purely $$ item, no timing inside. Anytime you got $$, you can find a Mauser Parabellum, brand-new in box. For DWM "Safe", it's more than $$, you would have to wait a chance. I have never seen DWM "Safe" in local gun shows. It appears in auction houses.

Well.. situation in Europe being different? I saw quite amount of post-war Parabellums listed in Hermann-Historica... Of course, I don't know local dealership market.

Sergio Natali · 11-25-2014, 06:55 AM

Many of the guns come from Germany, not only Lugers but also Colts, Remington Rands, Sigs.
For what I can say it depends, sometimes it seems as you can find a lot of decent handguns, then all of a sudden it looks as if somebody has closed the tap...
Anyway despite the so called crisis prices for good items are going up.

alvin · 11-26-2014, 07:22 AM

Waiting big name collectors' "summary sale" is a strategy. Rare guns are not rare in their collections. And, market size is limited, when everything is listed in a single place at a fixed short time frame (say, a few months), it's good chance for buyers. Otherwise, some variations never appear in "normal/random" market. We have witnessed some instances.

11-15-2014, 01:56 PM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	New temptations... Two reputable gunshops of my area have two pretty interesting lugers. The first one is a DWM Commercial, a few thousands of this sort of Luger were made for the US civilian market in 1923. The second one is a Mauser 29/70 made for the US market as well since it has got the "American Eagle" mark. I'm a bit torn wether to get one or not, as after all they are not that rare at all. Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list. Last edited by Sergio Natali; 11-15-2014 at 03:43 PM.

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hansfischer007 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sunny Tennessee Posts: 233 Thanks: 509 Thanked 96 Times in 48 Posts	Should I buy or not.? My Main problem would be to come up with a "Believeable story" for the Wife......."Honey....this guy on the Luger forum was needing money and sold me this Luger for only $300.00 ....and then made me a heck of a deal.....BOTH for ONLY $500.00....................................Honestly

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	If you can get both for $500, you should be able to resell in the $2000 range. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-15-2014, 09:50 PM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Very nice 'Safe and Loaded'. It was one of a 2000 gun contract by Stoeger (approx. S#'s 89700 to 91700). Not easy to find. I would think it would be even harder to find in Italy. These use to sell for $1500-$1800 range here in the US. BTW, Kenyon got it wrong by calling them 1923 Commercials... S#'s 75000 to 92000 were made from 1919 to 1921. The 'Safe and Loaded' contract was at the end, so probably made in 1921. __________________ Mike C.

11-15-2014, 11:32 PM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,273 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	If I were forced to make a choice, I'd get the Stoeger. I'm swayed by the extractor and safe position auf english... The Mauser has that old-style/Swiss charm, but I think the 6" barrel (My favorite shooter is a 6" .30 Luger.) is a child of the 70s compared to classic original factory configurations? I'll bet Gerben knows... Handsome pieces, both. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-15-2014, 06:57 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	If she's not tracking the balance, no need to tell her the acquisition. If she's tracking the balance,,,, will this story work?

11-16-2014, 04:38 AM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes they are both in the original cal.7,65 Luger. To me it's just a matter of choosing the "less common" of the two, and I agree surely it's the former one, although as I said is not that rare either. One more consideration, here is being sold for the equivalent of almost USD 3,000.00 which is think is probably too much. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-19-2014, 07:36 PM	#9
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	I paid $1300 for a Safe and Loaded in good shape about a month ago (Gunbroker). Actually a fairly rare variation, only about 125 have been documented on Dwight Gruber's list, although more undoubtedly still exist.

11-24-2014, 03:03 PM	#10
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Sergio, Without doubt, I would get the "Safe & Loaded" Commercial. Not so common variation made for a specific dealer.

11-24-2014, 10:18 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Buy DWM. Post-war Mauser Parabellum can wait -- it's purely $$ item, no timing inside. Anytime you got $$, you can find a Mauser Parabellum, brand-new in box. For DWM "Safe", it's more than $$, you would have to wait a chance. I have never seen DWM "Safe" in local gun shows. It appears in auction houses. Well.. situation in Europe being different? I saw quite amount of post-war Parabellums listed in Hermann-Historica... Of course, I don't know local dealership market.

11-25-2014, 06:55 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Many of the guns come from Germany, not only Lugers but also Colts, Remington Rands, Sigs. For what I can say it depends, sometimes it seems as you can find a lot of decent handguns, then all of a sudden it looks as if somebody has closed the tap... Anyway despite the so called crisis prices for good items are going up. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-26-2014, 07:22 AM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Waiting big name collectors' "summary sale" is a strategy. Rare guns are not rare in their collections. And, market size is limited, when everything is listed in a single place at a fixed short time frame (say, a few months), it's good chance for buyers. Otherwise, some variations never appear in "normal/random" market. We have witnessed some instances.