Bern 1906/24 parts/repair?

6string · 11-21-2013, 05:07 AM

Hi!

I'm a new member here. Just bought a pair of Swiss Lugers after many months of research and book purchases.
Got what I thought was a good deal on a 1906/24 and a 1929.

However, I have a problem with the 1906/24. The trigger return felt stiff and inconsistent. Thinking it might be dirty, I field stripped it and found that the right side of the trigger pivot pin was broken off and sitting in the frame.
It is numbered to the gun. Can this part be repaired somehow? Or, is a replacement in order?
I did a quick search of previous posts, but didn't find anything...

Any advice would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim

mrerick · 11-21-2013, 10:31 AM

Replacing a numbered part can be rather difficult. If I remember correctly, the Swiss Luger triggers like your W+F 06 may have slightly different dimensions than those made for other Lugers.

If I understand your post correctly, the pin that normally extends from the right of the trigger into the frame is broken off? You have been able to recover the pin and now have both the trigger and the small broken off piece?

This broken piece would be perhaps 3mm in diameter and about the same length with a rounded off end? It, like the trigger, would be golden in color (strawed)?

If this is all true, I think that the best approach might be to have it welded back together by someone specializing in restoring firearm parts. We just had a post about repair of a recoil spring guide over on the other Luger forum at:

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ghlight=repair

Your repair may be in the same class of work, requiring specialized welding equipment.

Your post has me wondering what kind of event would have caused breakage of a trigger at this place... There usually isn't that much pressure possible on a trigger, and the trigger plate on the left side could logically have given way before the trigger itself sheared off...

Marc

ithacaartist · 11-21-2013, 12:05 PM

Welcome to the forum, Jim,

There was a post here a couple of months ago about "micro-welding". A member sent out a part for his Walther(or broomhandle, can't recall which) to have a broken-off portion built up again and restored on the numbered part. It cost him somewhat more than $400 for the work to be done, but the issue was settled.

Lugerdoc · 11-21-2013, 01:46 PM

Jim, I have several unnumbered Swiss cross marked triggers for the M29, but not sure if these will work in your M24, @$50 each. You will probably need just a standard DWM PO8 trigger. All I have left in standard PO8s are blued, numbered WW2 Mauser ones. Tom

Ron Wood · 11-21-2013, 03:25 PM

THERE ISN'T ANY SUCH THING AS A 1906/24 SWISS OR M24.
The Swiss started production in 1918. I am not picking on you guys in particular. It is a misnomer that has gotten a foothold and it is my crusade to get rid of it. The model is a 1900/06 Waffenfabrik Bern or '06 W+F if you prefer...almost anything that does not include 1924!

6string · 11-21-2013, 07:40 PM

Hello,

First, thank you for the quick and knowledgeable replies. The thread on the micro-weld certainly provides an avenue of pursuit. I would like to have the part repaired.
Marc, you are correct in your assessment of what I described.
Tom, I'll be in touch as I also have a 1929...

Ron, good call again on the 1924 designation. You already know I picked that up.... :-)

Thanks,
Jim

PS: I'll keep you updated as to the progress. Might be helpful to others here.

Sergio Natali · 11-22-2013, 11:28 AM

No need for me to confirm what Ron correctly said; apparently nobody seem to know exactly why that gun is generally called 1906/24
Probably because some modifications were only applied after 1924, like the blueing by immersion also of the internal part of the frame.

I've got a 2nd variation in my collection, but I'm looking for a 1st variation now.

Ron Wood · 11-22-2013, 11:32 AM

The 1924 designation was the result of incorrect information given to Fred Datig when he was writing his book. The Swiss individual that provided the information was mistaken.

6string · 11-23-2013, 02:42 AM

Well, I may be straying off topic, but since the 1924 vs 1906 discussion is bouncing around here, I'd like to follow that train of thought.
"luger.parabellum" mentioned the change in finish, possibly in 1924, as being a potential cause of the confusion. Meanwhile, most books I've read take a poke at the Bern 1906 for being of inferior finish to the DWMs that had already been purchased by the Swiss.
My new (to me!) Bern 1906, the one with the broken trigger pin, has a wonderful blued finish with very clean machining. It is also a low number 154xx (year mfg 1919??).
So, were the later ones rougher?

Thanks!
Jim

PS: I contacted Pullman Arms and sounds like they can fix the trigger with their micro welding. I'll keep you posted.

ithacaartist · 11-23-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6string

...I contacted Pullman Arms and sounds like they can fix the trigger with their micro welding. I'll keep you posted.

Yay!

rhuff · 11-23-2013, 05:14 PM

That is great news that you can repair the original numbered part for your Swiss luger.

6string · 12-27-2013, 05:48 AM

Hi!

I just got the trigger back from Pullman Arms. It arrived on Christmas Eve. I can attest that they did a brilliant job. There is virtually no visual evidence of the repair. The alignment of the pin is dead on straight. There is no visible joint whatsoever. The straw color appears unchanged.
So, thanks for all the helpful replies and advice towards the repair.
Hopefully, anyone else needing critical repairs to original matching number parts will have a good chance of getting things fixed right.

Jim

rhuff · 12-27-2013, 05:31 PM

We are indeed fortunate to have folks that can repair correctly these unobtainable broken parts. Glad to hear that you are pleased with the repair.

11-21-2013, 05:07 AM	#1
6string User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Bern 1906/24 parts/repair? Hi! I'm a new member here. Just bought a pair of Swiss Lugers after many months of research and book purchases. Got what I thought was a good deal on a 1906/24 and a 1929. However, I have a problem with the 1906/24. The trigger return felt stiff and inconsistent. Thinking it might be dirty, I field stripped it and found that the right side of the trigger pivot pin was broken off and sitting in the frame. It is numbered to the gun. Can this part be repaired somehow? Or, is a replacement in order? I did a quick search of previous posts, but didn't find anything... Any advice would be most appreciated. Thanks, Jim

11-21-2013, 10:31 AM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Replacing a numbered part can be rather difficult. If I remember correctly, the Swiss Luger triggers like your W+F 06 may have slightly different dimensions than those made for other Lugers. If I understand your post correctly, the pin that normally extends from the right of the trigger into the frame is broken off? You have been able to recover the pin and now have both the trigger and the small broken off piece? This broken piece would be perhaps 3mm in diameter and about the same length with a rounded off end? It, like the trigger, would be golden in color (strawed)? If this is all true, I think that the best approach might be to have it welded back together by someone specializing in restoring firearm parts. We just had a post about repair of a recoil spring guide over on the other Luger forum at: http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ghlight=repair Your repair may be in the same class of work, requiring specialized welding equipment. Your post has me wondering what kind of event would have caused breakage of a trigger at this place... There usually isn't that much pressure possible on a trigger, and the trigger plate on the left side could logically have given way before the trigger itself sheared off... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-21-2013, 12:05 PM	#3
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,339 Thanks: 7,263 Thanked 2,564 Times in 1,362 Posts	Welcome to the forum, Jim, There was a post here a couple of months ago about "micro-welding". A member sent out a part for his Walther(or broomhandle, can't recall which) to have a broken-off portion built up again and restored on the numbered part. It cost him somewhat more than $400 for the work to be done, but the issue was settled. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-21-2013, 01:46 PM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Jim, I have several unnumbered Swiss cross marked triggers for the M29, but not sure if these will work in your M24, @$50 each. You will probably need just a standard DWM PO8 trigger. All I have left in standard PO8s are blued, numbered WW2 Mauser ones. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-21-2013, 03:25 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	THERE ISN'T ANY SUCH THING AS A 1906/24 SWISS OR M24. The Swiss started production in 1918. I am not picking on you guys in particular. It is a misnomer that has gotten a foothold and it is my crusade to get rid of it. The model is a 1900/06 Waffenfabrik Bern or '06 W+F if you prefer...almost anything that does not include 1924! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-21-2013, 07:40 PM	#6
6string User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hello, First, thank you for the quick and knowledgeable replies. The thread on the micro-weld certainly provides an avenue of pursuit. I would like to have the part repaired. Marc, you are correct in your assessment of what I described. Tom, I'll be in touch as I also have a 1929... Ron, good call again on the 1924 designation. You already know I picked that up.... :-) Thanks, Jim PS: I'll keep you updated as to the progress. Might be helpful to others here.

11-22-2013, 11:28 AM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	No need for me to confirm what Ron correctly said; apparently nobody seem to know exactly why that gun is generally called 1906/24 Probably because some modifications were only applied after 1924, like the blueing by immersion also of the internal part of the frame. I've got a 2nd variation in my collection, but I'm looking for a 1st variation now. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-22-2013, 11:32 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	The 1924 designation was the result of incorrect information given to Fred Datig when he was writing his book. The Swiss individual that provided the information was mistaken. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-23-2013, 02:42 AM	#9
6string User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well, I may be straying off topic, but since the 1924 vs 1906 discussion is bouncing around here, I'd like to follow that train of thought. "luger.parabellum" mentioned the change in finish, possibly in 1924, as being a potential cause of the confusion. Meanwhile, most books I've read take a poke at the Bern 1906 for being of inferior finish to the DWMs that had already been purchased by the Swiss. My new (to me!) Bern 1906, the one with the broken trigger pin, has a wonderful blued finish with very clean machining. It is also a low number 154xx (year mfg 1919??). So, were the later ones rougher? Thanks! Jim PS: I contacted Pullman Arms and sounds like they can fix the trigger with their micro welding. I'll keep you posted.

11-23-2013, 05:14 PM	#11
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,290 Thanks: 2,707 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	That is great news that you can repair the original numbered part for your Swiss luger.

12-27-2013, 05:48 AM	#12
6string User Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi! I just got the trigger back from Pullman Arms. It arrived on Christmas Eve. I can attest that they did a brilliant job. There is virtually no visual evidence of the repair. The alignment of the pin is dead on straight. There is no visible joint whatsoever. The straw color appears unchanged. So, thanks for all the helpful replies and advice towards the repair. Hopefully, anyone else needing critical repairs to original matching number parts will have a good chance of getting things fixed right. Jim

12-27-2013, 05:31 PM	#13
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,290 Thanks: 2,707 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	We are indeed fortunate to have folks that can repair correctly these unobtainable broken parts. Glad to hear that you are pleased with the repair.