Could anyone help identify these stampings?

markbritt · 09-26-2010, 05:42 PM

I have a 1918 luger (brother-in-laws) that he picked up a few years ago. The luger is 100% matching, but there is an import marking on the barrel and the trigger plate had a number etched on it with an electic pen (now removed). In addition, the finish was a disaster. He asked me to refinish it and hot blue it for him. I have stripped down the frame and barrel and notice there are 5 markings on the receiver/slide right side. Can anyone identify these for us?

Thanks,
Mark

09-26-2010, 08:14 PM

These are German military proofs found on DWM Lugers manufactured 1914-1918.

The SU4 proof I am not sure about. Perhaps a Nazi Era proof. Someone will be along that knows.

markbritt · 09-26-2010, 10:01 PM

That is the one that puzzles me the most.

EricW · 09-26-2010, 10:31 PM

see Dwight's second post (02-14-2005, 07:29 PM) in this thread...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&highlight=su4

Frank · 09-27-2010, 09:45 AM

Mark, Costanzo's Book "World of Lugers" identifys the E/SU4 as a SIMSON/ULBRICHT proof. The 4 is a contract number.

Hope this helps a little!

Lugerdoc · 09-27-2010, 10:59 AM

Mark, Judging from the SWE/SU4, I would say that this would be an early nazi era (1933?) Simson rework of some type. Most probably a barrel replacement. You should be able to tell by the markings in the barrel. TH

klaus 3338 · 09-28-2010, 01:52 AM

I think it is an abbreviation of the early Weimar time: Spandau. We know also SU25 or SU50. Often the first and last letter of the word were used for abbreviation during this time.

whcoyote · 10-14-2010, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad

These are German military proofs found on DWM Lugers manufactured 1914-1918.

The SU4 proof I am not sure about. Perhaps a Nazi Era proof. Someone will be along that knows.

Not all of them are proof marks. The three on the left having a Crown/Gothic letter are acceptance stamps. They were placed there by an inspector after having passed an inspection procedure. The eagle to the right is the firing proof. It was placed there, on the barrel and the breechblock after successful proof firing.
Bob

09-26-2010, 05:42 PM	#1
markbritt User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 240 Thanks: 5 Thanked 48 Times in 22 Posts	Could anyone help identify these stampings? I have a 1918 luger (brother-in-laws) that he picked up a few years ago. The luger is 100% matching, but there is an import marking on the barrel and the trigger plate had a number etched on it with an electic pen (now removed). In addition, the finish was a disaster. He asked me to refinish it and hot blue it for him. I have stripped down the frame and barrel and notice there are 5 markings on the receiver/slide right side. Can anyone identify these for us? Thanks, Mark Attached Thumbnails

09-26-2010, 10:31 PM	#4
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	see Dwight's second post (02-14-2005, 07:29 PM) in this thread... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...&highlight=su4 __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mark, Judging from the SWE/SU4, I would say that this would be an early nazi era (1933?) Simson rework of some type. Most probably a barrel replacement. You should be able to tell by the markings in the barrel. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-26-2010, 08:14 PM	#2
Brad Guest Posts: n/a	These are German military proofs found on DWM Lugers manufactured 1914-1918. The SU4 proof I am not sure about. Perhaps a Nazi Era proof. Someone will be along that knows.

09-26-2010, 10:01 PM	#3
markbritt User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 240 Thanks: 5 Thanked 48 Times in 22 Posts	That is the one that puzzles me the most.

09-27-2010, 09:45 AM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Mark, Costanzo's Book "World of Lugers" identifys the E/SU4 as a SIMSON/ULBRICHT proof. The 4 is a contract number. Hope this helps a little!

09-28-2010, 01:52 AM	#7
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	I think it is an abbreviation of the early Weimar time: Spandau. We know also SU25 or SU50. Often the first and last letter of the word were used for abbreviation during this time.