Gnr

MFC · 07-24-2010, 09:07 PM

This is my new (to me) GNR, S#2002v. 1 of only 564 produced. It was a previously unreported S#. The seller stated it was all matching, except mag. When I received it Thursday, I was dissappointed to find several small parts not numbered... firing pin, hold open, rear axle pin, grip safety, thumb safety and grips.

I received Don's and Joop's new Mauser book Friday, which states these parts aren't numbered.

Needless to say, I was tickled pink.
Enjoy.

DavidJayUden · 07-24-2010, 10:21 PM

Very nice.
dju

sheepherder · 07-25-2010, 08:00 AM

OK; I'll bite...What does GNR stand for???

Interesting...It looks more like an engraving than a stamp...Was this done at the time of mfg, or when it arrived at its destination unit???

Ron Wood · 07-25-2010, 09:28 AM

I will probably spell it wrong but it stands for Garde Nationale Republicain - Republic National
Guard. It is a roll die stamp, not engraved. It was marked at the factory.

guns3545 · 07-25-2010, 11:35 AM

Nice gun. Looks good. New SN as well. Wonder where it has been??

Ron, Nice try. A little too French though. GNR= Guardia Nacional Republicana. With some squiggles missing that I do not have on my English speaking computer.

John

Ron Wood · 07-25-2010, 11:53 AM

Thanks John! I'm on the road (eventually will end up at the Chantilly gun show) so I am away from my books. Hence the inept attempt to spell out GNR

guns3545 · 07-25-2010, 02:37 PM

Ron,

The word "inept" can never be attributed to anything you write. Take a bow!! You did put in a disclaimer about the spelling.

John

alanint · 07-25-2010, 04:35 PM

Ok, so anybody want to throw out which country this is? I'm assuming Spain..

MFC · 07-25-2010, 04:48 PM

Doug,
It is Portugal. Sorry, I should have included more info. These are M1906 made in 1935 by Mauser. The Portuguese designation was M/935.
More pics.

pitsword · 07-25-2010, 05:18 PM

Do a youtube search for GNR. Interesting, very interesting.

LugerVern · 07-25-2010, 11:41 PM

That is a nice GNR!!!

They were suppose to be tuned for special ammunition, but so far I have not spotted any obvious mechanical changes.

Have you?

thanks for posting

Vern

MFC · 07-26-2010, 02:08 AM

Vern,
Thank you. I didn't notice any mechanical difference.
In Joop's and Don's Mauser book there is a letter from August Weiss, former pistol production manager of the Mauser factory between 1930 and 1949. In the letter he states that the Portuguese were using under pressure cartridges, and had many malfunctions. Weiss went to Portugal and brought "a good series of cartridges" to test the guns. No malfunction of any kind was encountered. A lot of bad cartridges were sent back to Oberndorf for testing. It proved that the malfunctions were caused by faulty ammunition. Is this what you may be refering to?

A.Mifsin · 08-19-2010, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I will probably spell it wrong but it stands for Garde Nationale Republicain - Republic National
Guard. It is a roll die stamp, not engraved. It was marked at the factory.

Hi Ron, would you be kind enough and explain what is a Roll die Stamp compared to other die stamps please.

Alf.

alanint · 08-19-2010, 02:40 AM

A roll die is literaly a round wheel-like surface that contains a raised version of that is to be impressed into the metal. This die is then rolled over the steel surface under pressure, presssing the design into the metal, in this case the initials on the Luger's chamber. This as opposed to a struck die, which hammers the design straight into the metal. This is how inspector's marks are applied.
Lastly is the engraving method, which cuts a design into the metal through a programed, movable cutter.

07-24-2010, 09:07 PM	#1
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Gnr This is my new (to me) GNR, S#2002v. 1 of only 564 produced. It was a previously unreported S#. The seller stated it was all matching, except mag. When I received it Thursday, I was dissappointed to find several small parts not numbered... firing pin, hold open, rear axle pin, grip safety, thumb safety and grips. I received Don's and Joop's new Mauser book Friday, which states these parts aren't numbered. Needless to say, I was tickled pink. Enjoy. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ Mike C. Last edited by MFC; 07-24-2010 at 11:35 PM.

07-25-2010, 08:00 AM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,441 Times in 2,329 Posts	OK; I'll bite...What does GNR stand for??? Interesting...It looks more like an engraving than a stamp...Was this done at the time of mfg, or when it arrived at its destination unit??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-25-2010, 09:28 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	I will probably spell it wrong but it stands for Garde Nationale Republicain - Republic National Guard. It is a roll die stamp, not engraved. It was marked at the factory. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-25-2010, 11:53 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Thanks John! I'm on the road (eventually will end up at the Chantilly gun show) so I am away from my books. Hence the inept attempt to spell out GNR __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-25-2010, 04:48 PM	#9
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Doug, It is Portugal. Sorry, I should have included more info. These are M1906 made in 1935 by Mauser. The Portuguese designation was M/935. More pics. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mike C.

07-24-2010, 10:21 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Very nice. dju

07-25-2010, 11:35 AM	#5
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 654 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Nice gun. Looks good. New SN as well. Wonder where it has been?? Ron, Nice try. A little too French though. GNR= Guardia Nacional Republicana. With some squiggles missing that I do not have on my English speaking computer. John

07-25-2010, 02:37 PM	#7
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 654 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Ron, The word "inept" can never be attributed to anything you write. Take a bow!! You did put in a disclaimer about the spelling. John

07-25-2010, 04:35 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Ok, so anybody want to throw out which country this is? I'm assuming Spain..

07-25-2010, 05:18 PM	#10
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,949 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Do a youtube search for GNR. Interesting, very interesting.

07-25-2010, 11:41 PM	#11
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	That is a nice GNR!!! They were suppose to be tuned for special ammunition, but so far I have not spotted any obvious mechanical changes. Have you? thanks for posting Vern

07-26-2010, 02:08 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Vern, Thank you. I didn't notice any mechanical difference. In Joop's and Don's Mauser book there is a letter from August Weiss, former pistol production manager of the Mauser factory between 1930 and 1949. In the letter he states that the Portuguese were using under pressure cartridges, and had many malfunctions. Weiss went to Portugal and brought "a good series of cartridges" to test the guns. No malfunction of any kind was encountered. A lot of bad cartridges were sent back to Oberndorf for testing. It proved that the malfunctions were caused by faulty ammunition. Is this what you may be refering to? __________________ Mike C.

08-19-2010, 02:40 AM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	A roll die is literaly a round wheel-like surface that contains a raised version of that is to be impressed into the metal. This die is then rolled over the steel surface under pressure, presssing the design into the metal, in this case the initials on the Luger's chamber. This as opposed to a struck die, which hammers the design straight into the metal. This is how inspector's marks are applied. Lastly is the engraving method, which cuts a design into the metal through a programed, movable cutter.