Whats up with these barrel markings

Scottrt · 09-23-2019, 03:55 PM

1940 dated 42 Mauser. Morphy Action said all matching, but the barrel has no serial number, just the crown over K, an S, a sideways E, and an A in a circle. See pic I will attempt to post; Any advice as to how or why this is like this greatly appreciated.

DonVoigt · 09-24-2019, 08:06 AM

I've not seen that combination before, or anything close.

For sure the barrel is not original to the 1940 Mauser pistol- crowns on barrels were long gone by then.

Scottrt · 09-24-2019, 08:47 AM

For sure it's not original or it would have the proper serial number. I just wondered if somebody recognize any of these marks as being an arsenal replacement. If not, must have been done by somebody in more recent history.

DonVoigt · 09-24-2019, 10:35 AM

Mauser did stop numbering barrels at some point, I don't recall exactly when.
Maybe someone else can find the timeframe they stopped.
I'll look for it when I have time.

Scottrt · 09-24-2019, 10:55 AM

I have a 41 b y f and a 42 byf that both have barrels numbered in the usual way. I suspect Morphys made a mistake when they claimed that all the numbers matched and it had all the proper waffenamts.

Lugerdoc · 09-24-2019, 12:06 PM

Scott, I suspect that this replacement barrel was added by the Norweigen arsenal at Koeignsburg (C/K marking). TH

Doubs · 09-24-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Scott, I suspect that this replacement barrel was added by the Norweigen arsenal at Koeignsburg (C/K marking). TH

Good eye, Tom.

I, too, thought it may be Norwegian or other Scandinavian country's marking. Unfortunately, my Standard Dictionary of Proof Marks doesn't include Norway and the internet is no help.

Scottrt · 09-24-2019, 01:25 PM

Ah-haaa... That makes sense. I thought it was a poorly struck circle, but I see it now. Thanks so much Tom. Speculate for me... would this likely have happened then at some point after the war? The gun has no import marks. Most common cause for needing barrel replacement is....?

Scott

Dwight Gruber · 09-24-2019, 04:08 PM

Search on Kongsburg proof mark, you will come up with examples of the crown/K stamped on Norwegian 1911 Colts.

--Dwight

Vlim · 09-24-2019, 05:30 PM

Darn. Now I need one of those...

I have a nice letter from the Kongsberg arsenal to Mauser from the late 1960s where they offer to make P08 small parts for them.

Cav Trooper 19D · 02-11-2021, 12:24 PM

Not necessarily bearing on this particular P.08, but I have read in one of my P.08 books that A inside a Circle was a stamp used by Krieghoff as a receiver reject stamp. Whether that’s something that’s been debunked or true as the day it was written in that particular Luger book, I don’t know. As P.08 known and unknowns have this ebb and flow about them. Facts that were once considered facts about a luger are no longer and vice versa as time goes on and more info is uncovered.

09-23-2019, 03:55 PM	#1
Scottrt User Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: So. Minnesota Posts: 33 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Whats up with these barrel markings 1940 dated 42 Mauser. Morphy Action said all matching, but the barrel has no serial number, just the crown over K, an S, a sideways E, and an A in a circle. See pic I will attempt to post; Any advice as to how or why this is like this greatly appreciated. Last edited by Scottrt; 09-24-2019 at 05:22 AM. Reason: new image

09-24-2019, 08:06 AM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I've not seen that combination before, or anything close. For sure the barrel is not original to the 1940 Mauser pistol- crowns on barrels were long gone by then. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-24-2019, 10:35 AM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Mauser did stop numbering barrels at some point, I don't recall exactly when. Maybe someone else can find the timeframe they stopped. I'll look for it when I have time. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-24-2019, 12:06 PM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Scott, I suspect that this replacement barrel was added by the Norweigen arsenal at Koeignsburg (C/K marking). TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-24-2019, 08:47 AM	#3
Scottrt User Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: So. Minnesota Posts: 33 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	For sure it's not original or it would have the proper serial number. I just wondered if somebody recognize any of these marks as being an arsenal replacement. If not, must have been done by somebody in more recent history.

09-24-2019, 10:55 AM	#5
Scottrt User Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: So. Minnesota Posts: 33 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	I have a 41 b y f and a 42 byf that both have barrels numbered in the usual way. I suspect Morphys made a mistake when they claimed that all the numbers matched and it had all the proper waffenamts.

09-24-2019, 01:25 PM	#8
Scottrt User Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: So. Minnesota Posts: 33 Thanks: 20 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Ah-haaa... That makes sense. I thought it was a poorly struck circle, but I see it now. Thanks so much Tom. Speculate for me... would this likely have happened then at some point after the war? The gun has no import marks. Most common cause for needing barrel replacement is....? Scott

09-24-2019, 04:08 PM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,313 Times in 430 Posts	Search on Kongsburg proof mark, you will come up with examples of the crown/K stamped on Norwegian 1911 Colts. --Dwight

09-24-2019, 05:30 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Darn. Now I need one of those... I have a nice letter from the Kongsberg arsenal to Mauser from the late 1960s where they offer to make P08 small parts for them.

02-11-2021, 12:24 PM	#11
Cav Trooper 19D New User Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Not necessarily bearing on this particular P.08, but I have read in one of my P.08 books that A inside a Circle was a stamp used by Krieghoff as a receiver reject stamp. Whether that’s something that’s been debunked or true as the day it was written in that particular Luger book, I don’t know. As P.08 known and unknowns have this ebb and flow about them. Facts that were once considered facts about a luger are no longer and vice versa as time goes on and more info is uncovered.