2 Mystery Lugers...

Pete Ebbink · 12-31-2006, 02:34 PM

A new Member has asked for help with posting up his photos and getting opinions about the ID of these lugers, history, and current value.

I will leave it up the our new Member if he wants to identify himself or not. Guns were recently inherited from his grandparents.

Gun No. 1 photos appear to show a rare 1944-dated HK luger (serial number not listed in the R. Gibson book about HK lugers) :

Gun No. 2 photos appear to show a WWII Mauser era luger :

lalouette · 12-31-2006, 06:32 PM

I have 2 lugers one is 1944 and another 39, I would like to know about them, and what they are worth. can you help me?
My family came form Belgium back in the 1870's and settled in Florence,Kansas of USA. I live 30 miles to the west of Florence. The guns belonged to my grandfather who died 7 years ago. My grandmother gave the guns to me. I have my own gun collection, but don't know much about Lugers. I want to thank you so much for helping me.
lalouette@cox.net
Lynn Lalouette

Edward Tinker · 12-31-2006, 06:48 PM

Lynn, welcome to the forum! I moved your postings to the New Collectors area.

You have to give us a lot more information for us to help you

Take each gun, hold it in your hands and then write down the information from these sheets;
http://www.lugerforum.com/IDsheets.html

My gut feeling is that one is a P38, but we'll see, at a minimum, we want to know;

What markings are on the top?
What markings are on the left or right?
Caliber?

And can you provide pictures?

I am in the Denver area, so you are about a state away....

Ed
weimar_lugers@comcast.net

Pete Ebbink · 12-31-2006, 07:46 PM

I posted the photos for Lynn in the discussion thread just below this one titled "2 Mystery Lugers"...

Ed...maybe you could move that posting/photos here so they are connected ???

Edward Tinker · 12-31-2006, 08:07 PM

Pete somehow I missed this thread, been busy this last week... I emailed, as I am sure you did and told Lynn what he had...

1939 42 is not uncommon.

The 1944 krieghoff is rare as hens teeth... I can be over tomorrow and pick it up, its only 560 miles to your location...

Ed

John D. · 12-31-2006, 09:58 PM

Hi Lynn,

Check you e-mail regarding the Krieg.

A Happy New Year to all!

John D.

drbuster · 01-01-2007, 09:23 AM

John, would like very much to hear your "take" on this 1944 HK as it has stimulated a bit of discussion on Jan Still's Forum. The two issues are the Finnish appearing front sight blade and the wooden magazine bottom. Not only haven't I seen a wooden mag bottom on an HK, but the fonts of the serial number look force matched and the marking below the numbers looks like a "K" overstamping something else. These unusual features raise the question of this HK's authenticity and your opinion, I believe, should be shared.

Pete Ebbink · 01-01-2007, 12:19 PM

Ed,

I did let Lynn know he would probably get all kinds of offers on this quite rare piece.

I suggested he get together with the Simpsons for an appraisal. When a gun might be worth $ 10K or more, the $ 135 spent might be a good investment to know what one really has...

R. Gibson estimated around 200 1944-dated ones, only.

Doc,

I think the Pacific Arms lugers from the 1920's had a front sight blade with this profile as well...maybe this HK had its sight replaced at some point in time. I hear those parts were abundant in the 1950-60's.

Pete Ebbink · 01-01-2007, 07:00 PM

Lynn,

Here is a link to similar Mauser WWI lugers for sale on the Simpson LTD web site. Remember retail dealer prices are usually 15-20% higher than what a gun might sell for between collectors, privately :

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=3

As you compare your Mauser luger with these...keep in mind that value is based on :

1. Is the finish on the gun factory original.

2. How much of the factory original blue and straw finish remain (usually in a % rating such as 95%, 98%, etc.).

3. Are all parts serial number matched to your guns' main serial number. This assumes "forced matching" has not occurred.

4. Does the magazine match the luger and is it the "correct" type of magazine for your luger. Same with the grips, where applicable to a model.

5. Bore condition.

12-31-2006, 02:34 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	2 Mystery Lugers... A new Member has asked for help with posting up his photos and getting opinions about the ID of these lugers, history, and current value. I will leave it up the our new Member if he wants to identify himself or not. Guns were recently inherited from his grandparents. Gun No. 1 photos appear to show a rare 1944-dated HK luger (serial number not listed in the R. Gibson book about HK lugers) : Gun No. 2 photos appear to show a WWII Mauser era luger :

12-31-2006, 06:32 PM	#2
lalouette New User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	inherited lugers I have 2 lugers one is 1944 and another 39, I would like to know about them, and what they are worth. can you help me? My family came form Belgium back in the 1870's and settled in Florence,Kansas of USA. I live 30 miles to the west of Florence. The guns belonged to my grandfather who died 7 years ago. My grandmother gave the guns to me. I have my own gun collection, but don't know much about Lugers. I want to thank you so much for helping me. lalouette@cox.net Lynn Lalouette

12-31-2006, 06:48 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Lynn, welcome to the forum! I moved your postings to the New Collectors area. You have to give us a lot more information for us to help you Take each gun, hold it in your hands and then write down the information from these sheets; http://www.lugerforum.com/IDsheets.html My gut feeling is that one is a P38, but we'll see, at a minimum, we want to know; What markings are on the top? What markings are on the left or right? Caliber? And can you provide pictures? I am in the Denver area, so you are about a state away.... Ed weimar_lugers@comcast.net __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-31-2006, 07:46 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I posted the photos for Lynn in the discussion thread just below this one titled "2 Mystery Lugers"... Ed...maybe you could move that posting/photos here so they are connected ???

12-31-2006, 08:07 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Pete somehow I missed this thread, been busy this last week... I emailed, as I am sure you did and told Lynn what he had... 1939 42 is not uncommon. The 1944 krieghoff is rare as hens teeth... I can be over tomorrow and pick it up, its only 560 miles to your location... Ed

12-31-2006, 09:58 PM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 473 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Hi Lynn, Check you e-mail regarding the Krieg. A Happy New Year to all! John D.

01-01-2007, 09:23 AM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	John, would like very much to hear your "take" on this 1944 HK as it has stimulated a bit of discussion on Jan Still's Forum. The two issues are the Finnish appearing front sight blade and the wooden magazine bottom. Not only haven't I seen a wooden mag bottom on an HK, but the fonts of the serial number look force matched and the marking below the numbers looks like a "K" overstamping something else. These unusual features raise the question of this HK's authenticity and your opinion, I believe, should be shared.

01-01-2007, 12:19 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ed, I did let Lynn know he would probably get all kinds of offers on this quite rare piece. I suggested he get together with the Simpsons for an appraisal. When a gun might be worth $ 10K or more, the $ 135 spent might be a good investment to know what one really has... R. Gibson estimated around 200 1944-dated ones, only. Doc, I think the Pacific Arms lugers from the 1920's had a front sight blade with this profile as well...maybe this HK had its sight replaced at some point in time. I hear those parts were abundant in the 1950-60's.

01-01-2007, 07:00 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Lynn, Here is a link to similar Mauser WWI lugers for sale on the Simpson LTD web site. Remember retail dealer prices are usually 15-20% higher than what a gun might sell for between collectors, privately : http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=3 As you compare your Mauser luger with these...keep in mind that value is based on : 1. Is the finish on the gun factory original. 2. How much of the factory original blue and straw finish remain (usually in a % rating such as 95%, 98%, etc.). 3. Are all parts serial number matched to your guns' main serial number. This assumes "forced matching" has not occurred. 4. Does the magazine match the luger and is it the "correct" type of magazine for your luger. Same with the grips, where applicable to a model. 5. Bore condition.