White paint

stevedz313 · 04-23-2006, 12:03 PM

Is the white paint in the word Gesichert and in the serial number factory? Or did some one add the paint after the war?

Edward Tinker · 04-23-2006, 12:12 PM

it is factory, the only place on it that was done like that. All other "whiting" you see is added to make the letters / numbers show up better.

Ed

stevedz313 · 04-23-2006, 01:25 PM

Thanks

Frank · 04-23-2006, 03:35 PM

Steve, I'm sure Ed meant to say the "Gesichert" was colored in the factory. The rest of the information was "whitened" to make them show up better!!

Edward Tinker · 04-23-2006, 03:50 PM

correct, sorry Frank, I read it as Gesichert was colored at the factory...

not the serial number

Ed

stevedz313 · 04-24-2006, 03:08 PM

Some of the "paint" has been removed (not by me). Should I put new on or should I just leave it alone. If I should put new on what should I use???

Dwight Gruber · 04-24-2006, 04:49 PM

Steve,

The GESICHERT mark was highlighted with sealing wax at the factory. Do mean that some of it remains on your Luger? If this is the case, I would recommend leaving it alone, as this is one of the benchmarks demonstrating original finish.

--Dwight

Marvin · 04-25-2006, 10:29 AM

Dwight,

Do you have more information on the "sealing wax" that was used at the factory? I have one pistol that was reworked and I used the Testors paint to fill in the stamps and this worked fine. The problems with the Luger is getting the correct color.

Dwight Gruber · 04-25-2006, 11:00 AM

Marvin,

There have been a couple of discussions abou this on Jan Still's board. Apparently the original material was white http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...ms=sealing+wax (see an entry near the bottom of the discussion) and the material has yellowed over time.

--Dwight

Marvin · 04-25-2006, 11:39 AM

Dwight,

Thanks for the Link! I had always assumed that the "yellowing" of the paint on the Luger was from age and oil applied. The earlier WWI and Weimar Luger letters seem to have a more "yellow" to "pumpkin" color (actually looks like baby poo color, LOL) that I have attributed to age and oil. The later 1940 - 1942 Mauser Lugers always seemed to have the more "white" color and this is because it is not "aged".

04-26-2006, 11:44 AM

Testors flat white will make a good substitute for the wax. I believe the loaded chamber indicator was also in the white. All other proof marks and s/n's are colored in by collectors to make them stand out.

Marvin · 04-26-2006, 04:35 PM

ironcross4148,

Thanks, I have used the Testors white before to fill in the majority of a stamp on a P.38 where most of the original paint had chipped out.

Having been away from the Forum for a while, the paint in the loaded chamber indicator is new information to me!

04-23-2006, 12:03 PM	#1
stevedz313 User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	White paint Is the white paint in the word Gesichert and in the serial number factory? Or did some one add the paint after the war? __________________ Thank You Steve Stevedz313 http://com2.runboard.com/bgearbrokertacticalforum

04-23-2006, 12:12 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	it is factory, the only place on it that was done like that. All other "whiting" you see is added to make the letters / numbers show up better. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-24-2006, 03:08 PM	#6
stevedz313 User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some of the "paint" has been removed (not by me). Should I put new on or should I just leave it alone. If I should put new on what should I use??? __________________ Thank You Steve Stevedz313 http://com2.runboard.com/bgearbrokertacticalforum

04-23-2006, 01:25 PM	#3
stevedz313 User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks

04-23-2006, 03:35 PM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Steve, I'm sure Ed meant to say the "Gesichert" was colored in the factory. The rest of the information was "whitened" to make them show up better!!

04-23-2006, 03:50 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	correct, sorry Frank, I read it as Gesichert was colored at the factory... not the serial number Ed

04-24-2006, 04:49 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Steve, The GESICHERT mark was highlighted with sealing wax at the factory. Do mean that some of it remains on your Luger? If this is the case, I would recommend leaving it alone, as this is one of the benchmarks demonstrating original finish. --Dwight

04-25-2006, 10:29 AM	#8
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, Do you have more information on the "sealing wax" that was used at the factory? I have one pistol that was reworked and I used the Testors paint to fill in the stamps and this worked fine. The problems with the Luger is getting the correct color.

04-25-2006, 11:00 AM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Marvin, There have been a couple of discussions abou this on Jan Still's board. Apparently the original material was white http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...ms=sealing+wax (see an entry near the bottom of the discussion) and the material has yellowed over time. --Dwight

04-25-2006, 11:39 AM	#10
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, Thanks for the Link! I had always assumed that the "yellowing" of the paint on the Luger was from age and oil applied. The earlier WWI and Weimar Luger letters seem to have a more "yellow" to "pumpkin" color (actually looks like baby poo color, LOL) that I have attributed to age and oil. The later 1940 - 1942 Mauser Lugers always seemed to have the more "white" color and this is because it is not "aged".

04-26-2006, 11:44 AM	#11
ironcross4148 Guest Posts: n/a	Testors flat white will make a good substitute for the wax. I believe the loaded chamber indicator was also in the white. All other proof marks and s/n's are colored in by collectors to make them stand out.

04-26-2006, 04:35 PM	#12
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ironcross4148, Thanks, I have used the Testors white before to fill in the majority of a stamp on a P.38 where most of the original paint had chipped out. Having been away from the Forum for a while, the paint in the loaded chamber indicator is new information to me!