Holster Help!

MarkC · 08-13-2005, 09:24 PM

This holster came from a fellow collector in Norway who bought it in Germany a few years ago. It was unissued, flat as a board when I got it and smells right. What the heck is it?

Seems to have come from the Ukraine like some of the other unisued holsters we have seen recently, but can't find a reference on it. E/C police marking under the closing strap, the eagle under a 10x glass is the correct late war police eagle style.

wlyon · 08-13-2005, 10:10 PM

Can't tell the size , but looks like a Walther PP holster? Bill

lugerholsterrepair · 08-13-2005, 11:24 PM

In my opinion it is phoney. There are a half dozen things that scream fake to me. Jerry Burney

Vlim · 08-14-2005, 09:27 AM

Hi,

I think the holster is a postwar real one, but the marking isn't. The east-germans had a Walther-PP / PPK production line which originated from the Walther plants that ended up on the wrong side of the border. They produced their own Walther copy at the former Haenel plant, called the 'Pistole 1001'.

The form of this holster follows the police style found on post war East-Germany holsters for the P38 and the P08.

Does it have any traces of a rubber ink stamp in the flap?

MarkC · 08-15-2005, 09:24 AM

I can't find an ink stamp but am now convinced the holster's marking is a fake. A fellow collector has told me it is the handywork of someone named Karl Kalber from Germany?

I am not into the holster for big money but it stinks to be taken.

Vlim · 08-15-2005, 12:33 PM

Could be.

Quite a bit of old DDR stock came onto the market the last several years. I purchased a brand new P38/P08 holster that was produced in 1961 and remained in store until a couple of years ago. That one has a nice ink/rubber stamp marking with the production date and producer's code.

MarkC · 08-15-2005, 02:26 PM

Very nice holster, I have two of them for my post war P.38's. The ink stamp is from the Ministry of Interior and dated March of 1961. Here are my two "rigs". The first gun is a VOPO marked CZ46

http://www.p38guns.com/CZ46rig.htm

And this one which is not on my website yet.

08-13-2005, 09:24 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Holster Help! This holster came from a fellow collector in Norway who bought it in Germany a few years ago. It was unissued, flat as a board when I got it and smells right. What the heck is it? Seems to have come from the Ukraine like some of the other unisued holsters we have seen recently, but can't find a reference on it. E/C police marking under the closing strap, the eagle under a 10x glass is the correct late war police eagle style.

08-13-2005, 10:10 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,531 Times in 943 Posts	Can't tell the size , but looks like a Walther PP holster? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

08-13-2005, 11:24 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,866 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	In my opinion it is phoney. There are a half dozen things that scream fake to me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-14-2005, 09:27 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,047 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,947 Times in 1,198 Posts	Hi, I think the holster is a postwar real one, but the marking isn't. The east-germans had a Walther-PP / PPK production line which originated from the Walther plants that ended up on the wrong side of the border. They produced their own Walther copy at the former Haenel plant, called the 'Pistole 1001'. The form of this holster follows the police style found on post war East-Germany holsters for the P38 and the P08. Does it have any traces of a rubber ink stamp in the flap?

08-15-2005, 09:24 AM	#5
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	I can't find an ink stamp but am now convinced the holster's marking is a fake. A fellow collector has told me it is the handywork of someone named Karl Kalber from Germany? I am not into the holster for big money but it stinks to be taken.

08-15-2005, 12:33 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,047 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,947 Times in 1,198 Posts	Could be. Quite a bit of old DDR stock came onto the market the last several years. I purchased a brand new P38/P08 holster that was produced in 1961 and remained in store until a couple of years ago. That one has a nice ink/rubber stamp marking with the production date and producer's code.

08-15-2005, 02:26 PM	#7
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Very nice holster, I have two of them for my post war P.38's. The ink stamp is from the Ministry of Interior and dated March of 1961. Here are my two "rigs". The first gun is a VOPO marked CZ46 http://www.p38guns.com/CZ46rig.htm And this one which is not on my website yet.