Luger stovepiping issues.

Sky Zero · 09-16-2019, 03:03 PM

Ok so I'm having the same issue with just one of my lugers, a 1941 which I believe is force matched.

I use WW 9mm, a new mec-gar mag (and any mag, really), and my shells look like they have that very distinctive triangle on it after ejecting. I also get quite a bit of brass shavings throughout my pistol. Is it the ejector spring, or should I start there? I had 3 or 4 stove-pipes over the weekend in one day. I also had a double fire lol.

HerrKaiser · 09-16-2019, 03:38 PM

1. The double fire is an issue with your trigger, disconnector, and/or sear mechanism. DO NOT LOAD OR FIRE THAT GUN AGAIN UNTIL A COMPETENT LUGER GUNSMITH HAS REMEDIED THAT SITUATION. There are a few people on here who can help you with that, most notably Tom Heller (Lugerdoc here on the forum).
2. I would also recommend you make this a new thread so as not to hijack this one.

Sky Zero · 09-17-2019, 12:11 PM

I'm not really hijacking; I too have an issue with stove-piping that isn't an ammo issue

Doubs · 09-17-2019, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky Zero

I'm not really hijacking; I too have an issue with stove-piping that isn't an ammo issue

Even so, you're likely to have more replies if you start a new thread and post pictures of your Luger.

DonVoigt · 09-17-2019, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky Zero

I'm not really hijacking; I too have an issue with stove-piping that isn't an ammo issue

Yes, unfortunately you are.
Start a new thread, or else this one will get hopelessly mixed up between the problems of two different lugers.

Threads are cheap = free!

Vlim · 09-17-2019, 07:21 PM

Created a new thread for this discussion.

DonVoigt · 09-18-2019, 12:07 AM

-The ejector does not have a spring; it IS a spring. The flat blade that protrudes into the bolt may
be damaged.
-The extractor does have a spring, and the spring or condition of the extractor could be a contributing factor
-The ding usually has nothing to do with a stovepipe jam, such are usually a result of the magazine or of weak ammo or too strong a recoil spring; resulting in incomplete recoil.
- brass shaving is not normal, and could result from several issues - from magazine to barrel
ramp cut and probably others
-the doubling, is likely not related to the stove pipe; but due to minimal contact at the sear interface, or a weak sear bar spring
-try other ammo than the WW white box, it is normally "good"; but not necessarily for all lugers.
I'd try some 124 grain ammo and see if your result is different- but AFTER correcting the doubling!

If you have more than one luger, try swapping the uppers from one frame to the other and see if anything changes.

This could be a long journey, as you have more than one issue causing different problems.

4 Scale · 09-18-2019, 01:09 AM

Don's reply has excellent info and gives a lot of things to look at. I would add on the double tap, sometimes people file down the sear protrusion on the firing pin or make other adjustments to the trigger/transfer lever/sideplate/sear bar spring/sear bar in an attempt to perform a 'trigger job" and decrease trigger pull. I suggest carefully inspect all those components, it is most helpful to have a separate properly operating pistol as a reference.

rhuff · 09-18-2019, 03:01 PM

If someone tried to do a "trigger job" on this Luger, they may well have replaced, or cut, the std. trigger return spring.....this can allow bump firing. A Luger is not normally an easy weapon to bump fire, but soft trigger return spring and "hot" 9mm ammo can lead to it.

Sky Zero · 09-18-2019, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Yes, unfortunately you are.
Start a new thread, or else this one will get hopelessly mixed up between the problems of two different lugers.

Threads are cheap = free!

Alright alright. I know some places don't like duplicate threads on the same subjects, or they'll have responses with "no need to start a new thread. use the search function"

4 Scale · 09-19-2019, 01:19 AM

If you can, photos of the brass shavings, cartridges, and interior of the pistol might help.

Sky Zero · 09-20-2019, 01:52 AM

I apologize guys, a kind mod made this thread for me. I have the one I'll be posting on here:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39890

tiapat · 10-17-2019, 03:53 PM

I recommend different ammunition....and a different magazine to see if that helps.
I have always been happy with Haenel mags for function.

K.Wilhelm · 10-18-2019, 05:46 PM

Lugers as well as other autoloading pistols need to be firmly grasped when shooting or stovepiping can result.

09-16-2019, 03:03 PM	#1
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Luger stovepiping issues. Ok so I'm having the same issue with just one of my lugers, a 1941 which I believe is force matched. I use WW 9mm, a new mec-gar mag (and any mag, really), and my shells look like they have that very distinctive triangle on it after ejecting. I also get quite a bit of brass shavings throughout my pistol. Is it the ejector spring, or should I start there? I had 3 or 4 stove-pipes over the weekend in one day. I also had a double fire lol.

09-16-2019, 03:38 PM	#2
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 845 Thanks: 782 Thanked 860 Times in 410 Posts	1. The double fire is an issue with your trigger, disconnector, and/or sear mechanism. DO NOT LOAD OR FIRE THAT GUN AGAIN UNTIL A COMPETENT LUGER GUNSMITH HAS REMEDIED THAT SITUATION. There are a few people on here who can help you with that, most notably Tom Heller (Lugerdoc here on the forum). 2. I would also recommend you make this a new thread so as not to hijack this one. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

09-18-2019, 12:07 AM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	-The ejector does not have a spring; it IS a spring. The flat blade that protrudes into the bolt may be damaged. -The extractor does have a spring, and the spring or condition of the extractor could be a contributing factor -The ding usually has nothing to do with a stovepipe jam, such are usually a result of the magazine or of weak ammo or too strong a recoil spring; resulting in incomplete recoil. - brass shaving is not normal, and could result from several issues - from magazine to barrel ramp cut and probably others -the doubling, is likely not related to the stove pipe; but due to minimal contact at the sear interface, or a weak sear bar spring -try other ammo than the WW white box, it is normally "good"; but not necessarily for all lugers. I'd try some 124 grain ammo and see if your result is different- but AFTER correcting the doubling! If you have more than one luger, try swapping the uppers from one frame to the other and see if anything changes. This could be a long journey, as you have more than one issue causing different problems. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-18-2019, 03:01 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,289 Thanks: 2,707 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	If someone tried to do a "trigger job" on this Luger, they may well have replaced, or cut, the std. trigger return spring.....this can allow bump firing. A Luger is not normally an easy weapon to bump fire, but soft trigger return spring and "hot" 9mm ammo can lead to it. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

10-18-2019, 05:46 PM	#14
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	Limpwristing? Lugers as well as other autoloading pistols need to be firmly grasped when shooting or stovepiping can result. __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

09-17-2019, 12:11 PM	#3
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	I'm not really hijacking; I too have an issue with stove-piping that isn't an ammo issue

09-17-2019, 07:21 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Created a new thread for this discussion.

09-18-2019, 01:09 AM	#8
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	Don's reply has excellent info and gives a lot of things to look at. I would add on the double tap, sometimes people file down the sear protrusion on the firing pin or make other adjustments to the trigger/transfer lever/sideplate/sear bar spring/sear bar in an attempt to perform a 'trigger job" and decrease trigger pull. I suggest carefully inspect all those components, it is most helpful to have a separate properly operating pistol as a reference.

09-19-2019, 01:19 AM	#11
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	If you can, photos of the brass shavings, cartridges, and interior of the pistol might help.

09-20-2019, 01:52 AM	#12
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	I apologize guys, a kind mod made this thread for me. I have the one I'll be posting on here: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39890

10-17-2019, 03:53 PM	#13
tiapat New User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I recommend different ammunition....and a different magazine to see if that helps. I have always been happy with Haenel mags for function.