Lugers in the old west

Edward Tinker · 09-10-2021, 02:01 PM

I've pretty much lost my pictures of the old west and lugers, but here is one I saw today.
I have a couple of pictures I've bought off of ebay, a lady shooting from the 30's or so.

Mac Cat · 09-10-2021, 03:38 PM

The third one I have - it's some Texas Rangers (1907) - Del Rio, Texas (on the border).
Capt. John H. Rogers is holding the Luger.
Standing behind him is Frank Hamer - part of the team that hunted down Bonnie and Clyde.

Those cowboys also had 1921 Tommy Guns, too!

Shooting Times

hayhugh · 09-10-2021, 04:29 PM

I have a 1900 commercial Luger that looks like it might have been used by the boys in the old West.
Nothing wrong with it just that it is well worn, Ya know like an every day carry. Stamped America so it was sold here and used here...

Edward Tinker · 09-10-2021, 09:05 PM

Neat picture - my 1900 had a story that I don't have a reason to disbelieve.
Guys were hunting (in the area of the the frozen lakes between USA and Canada, but not sure of location except that is where he is from). And they are sitting around a campfire and a trapper comes in and they played poker and evidently lost, as he lost his AE 1900 and I bought it from the son that got the pistol.

Heinz · 09-11-2021, 06:16 PM

Great photos great story, thanks

jeb111 · 09-12-2021, 11:47 PM

Found this Luger at a gun show this weekend and thought it might go with this thread. I asked the owner if I could take a picture of his display and he was very good with that!

spangy · 09-13-2021, 01:43 AM

Honestly this picture breaks my heart.

This gun should have outlived us all.

schutzen-jager · 09-13-2021, 09:04 AM

many decades ago Elmer Keith wrote in one of his magazine columns that one of his wranglers he used on his pack in trips carried a luger - his reason being that the luger would shoot clear thru an oak wagon tongue , while no .32 , .38, .44 , or .45 could !

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Sieger · 09-14-2021, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

many decades ago Elmer Keith wrote in one of his magazine columns that one of his wranglers he used on his pack in trips carried a luger - his reason being that the luger would shoot clear thru an oak wagon tongue , while no .32 , .38, .44 , or .45 could !

Hi,

Please explain just what "an oak wagon tongue" is.

Thanks!

Sieger

gunbugs · 09-14-2021, 09:51 PM

The wagon tongue is the part that extends forward from the wagon that the harnesses are attached to.

Mac Cat · 09-14-2021, 10:24 PM

The wagon tongue is the wooden shaft that the horses or mules are attached to pull the wagon.
It's usually 3-4 inches thick.

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2021, 11:21 PM

I’d still like that 1900 as a shadow box.
Best my dad found was a hunting knife next to an old stump. I’ve got it now.

Ed

Sieger · 09-15-2021, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbugs

The wagon tongue is the part that extends forward from the wagon that the harnesses are attached to.

Thanks for your response!

Well, as much as I really love the original 9mm Parabellum round, I really doubt that the other rounds listed were such poor performers.

Remembering that even the German Army round was only a 123 grain bullet at 1,076 fps, Keith's comment seems to lack accuracy to me. Penetration tests of the other rounds listed should easily verify the truth here.

Respectfully,

Sieger

gunbugs · 09-15-2021, 10:09 AM

Back in the day, Keith was probably talking about the 30 cal instead of the 9mm.

schutzen-jager · 09-15-2021, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbugs

Back in the day, Keith was probably talking about the 30 cal instead of the 9mm.

+ the other calibers mentioned were probably low powered or utilizing very soft lead projectiles - the fmj .30 luger cartridge would exhibit superior penetration -

Sieger · 09-15-2021, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schutzen-jager

+ the other calibers mentioned were probably low powered or utilizing very soft lead projectiles - the fmj .30 luger cartridge would exhibit superior penetration -

May be, but the 7.65 Parabellum really is not all that powerful either, a real toy compared to a 7.63 Mauser or a 7.62 Tokerav.

In the original booklet, that came with the Parabellum Pistols, there are penetration figures included. Yes, the 7.65 penetrates deeper in wood than the 9mm does.

Sieger

schutzen-jager · 09-15-2021, 04:32 PM

definitely Mauser broom handles in old west , but the Tokerevs came much later -

09-10-2021, 02:01 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Lugers in the old west I've pretty much lost my pictures of the old west and lugers, but here is one I saw today. I have a couple of pictures I've bought off of ebay, a lady shooting from the 30's or so. Attached Thumbnails

09-10-2021, 03:38 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 724 Thanks: 2,087 Thanked 604 Times in 326 Posts	The third one I have - it's some Texas Rangers (1907) - Del Rio, Texas (on the border). Capt. John H. Rogers is holding the Luger. Standing behind him is Frank Hamer - part of the team that hunted down Bonnie and Clyde. Those cowboys also had 1921 Tommy Guns, too! Shooting Times Attached Images

09-12-2021, 11:47 PM	#6
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 711 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Found this Luger at a gun show this weekend and thought it might go with this thread. I asked the owner if I could take a picture of his display and he was very good with that! Attached Thumbnails

09-13-2021, 01:43 AM	#7
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	Honestly this picture breaks my heart. This gun should have outlived us all. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

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09-10-2021, 04:29 PM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 894 Thanks: 856 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	I have a 1900 commercial Luger that looks like it might have been used by the boys in the old West. Nothing wrong with it just that it is well worn, Ya know like an every day carry. Stamped America so it was sold here and used here...

09-10-2021, 09:05 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Neat picture - my 1900 had a story that I don't have a reason to disbelieve. Guys were hunting (in the area of the the frozen lakes between USA and Canada, but not sure of location except that is where he is from). And they are sitting around a campfire and a trapper comes in and they played poker and evidently lost, as he lost his AE 1900 and I bought it from the son that got the pistol.

09-11-2021, 06:16 PM	#5
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Great photos great story, thanks

09-13-2021, 09:04 AM	#8
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	many decades ago Elmer Keith wrote in one of his magazine columns that one of his wranglers he used on his pack in trips carried a luger - his reason being that the luger would shoot clear thru an oak wagon tongue , while no .32 , .38, .44 , or .45 could !

09-14-2021, 09:51 PM	#11
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 657 Thanks: 362 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	The wagon tongue is the part that extends forward from the wagon that the harnesses are attached to.

09-14-2021, 10:24 PM	#12
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 724 Thanks: 2,087 Thanked 604 Times in 326 Posts	The wagon tongue is the wooden shaft that the horses or mules are attached to pull the wagon. It's usually 3-4 inches thick. Attached Images

09-14-2021, 11:21 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I’d still like that 1900 as a shadow box. Best my dad found was a hunting knife next to an old stump. I’ve got it now. Ed

09-15-2021, 10:09 AM	#15
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 657 Thanks: 362 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	Back in the day, Keith was probably talking about the 30 cal instead of the 9mm.

09-15-2021, 04:32 PM	#18
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	definitely Mauser broom handles in old west , but the Tokerevs came much later -