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John D. · 10-28-2002, 10:27 AM

I agree with Orv - and for another reason altogether [img]smile.gif[/img]

I would think that the existence of legitimate "1945" chamber dated Kriegs might be supported through the existence of perhaps a G.I. assembled "1945" from HK parts (after the factory was "liberated" (post war Krieg)).

If there were such a GI parts gun (which there is [img]smile.gif[/img] ) - with a "1945" chamber date, it would indicate that the factory had indeed, at some point had/made/offered/produced (take your pick [img]smile.gif[/img] ) "1945" chamber dated HK Lugers during wartime production runs.

Again, with a bona-fide 1945 HK parts gun - there are only two explanations that might come to mind to explain its existence:

1) Whoever "fabricated" the alleged "fakes" (all 1945 HK Lugers) flew over to Germany after the factory was liberated - and before the "GI" parts gun was assembled by the unsuspecting GI - by stamping the cannon chamber "1945", then secretly put it back into the parts bin - thus allowing this forged 1945 HK "parts gun" to be put into circulation to corroborate his future 1945 fakes; [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> OR

2) Or there were/are chamber dated 1945 Krieghoffs/cannons/parts at the factory at the time it was occupied - and this 1945 parts gun was assembled just like other post-war "parts" HK Lugers using a menagerie of various parts. This would indicate that HK, did indeed, provide 1945 chamber dated Lugers for the military.

Personally - I would think that the second hypothesis is more plausible. Also - if all the 1945 HK Chamber dated Lugers are faked - why would the forger spend his time "faking" a "parts gun" worth next to nothing - if using that same "1945" cannon - he could fake a "genuine" 1945 HK worth thousands of dollars??? In addition, the "parts gun" also includes several other "HK" properly marked smaller pieces - that together, could have been used by the forger to produced a "1945" fake - again, worth much more.

Hmmmmm.............

So, yes - I agree that there are indeed, legitimate 1945 HK Lugers. I also believe that some, but not all - are faked.

10-28-2002, 10:27 AM	#5
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	I agree with Orv - and for another reason altogether [img]smile.gif[/img] I would think that the existence of legitimate "1945" chamber dated Kriegs might be supported through the existence of perhaps a G.I. assembled "1945" from HK parts (after the factory was "liberated" (post war Krieg)). If there were such a GI parts gun (which there is [img]smile.gif[/img] ) - with a "1945" chamber date, it would indicate that the factory had indeed, at some point had/made/offered/produced (take your pick [img]smile.gif[/img] ) "1945" chamber dated HK Lugers during wartime production runs. Again, with a bona-fide 1945 HK parts gun - there are only two explanations that might come to mind to explain its existence: 1) Whoever "fabricated" the alleged "fakes" (all 1945 HK Lugers) flew over to Germany after the factory was liberated - and before the "GI" parts gun was assembled by the unsuspecting GI - by stamping the cannon chamber "1945", then secretly put it back into the parts bin - thus allowing this forged 1945 HK "parts gun" to be put into circulation to corroborate his future 1945 fakes; [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> OR 2) Or there were/are chamber dated 1945 Krieghoffs/cannons/parts at the factory at the time it was occupied - and this 1945 parts gun was assembled just like other post-war "parts" HK Lugers using a menagerie of various parts. This would indicate that HK, did indeed, provide 1945 chamber dated Lugers for the military. Personally - I would think that the second hypothesis is more plausible. Also - if all the 1945 HK Chamber dated Lugers are faked - why would the forger spend his time "faking" a "parts gun" worth next to nothing - if using that same "1945" cannon - he could fake a "genuine" 1945 HK worth thousands of dollars??? In addition, the "parts gun" also includes several other "HK" properly marked smaller pieces - that together, could have been used by the forger to produced a "1945" fake - again, worth much more. Hmmmmm............. So, yes - I agree that there are indeed, legitimate 1945 HK Lugers. I also believe that some, but not all - are faked.