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Johnny Peppers · 11-08-2002, 09:48 AM

I don't know how the ad was worded, but if a pistol is said to be all matching I would expect the magazine to match. If the ad stated all matching except the magazine I would expect a non-matching magazine. In the case of a commercial, I would expect the ad to state all matching except correct un-numbered magazine, or all matching except incorrect numbered magazine. Whether the magazine matches or not makes a difference in the value and desireability of the pistol. The more information that can be given on the front end cuts down on the problems after the sale.
While this has nothing to do with Tom's original question, there has been some discussion in the past on how to handle a faked or boosted Luger purchase. Just my opinion but a fake or boosted Luger is not always that easy to tell, especially to someone new to the hobby. The new guy may have to wait until he can get someone to examine the pistol to find out for sure what he has and the three day inspection doesn't help that much. This is where everyone should get a written statement from the seller that the pistol is exactly what it is stated to be as far as to originality and condition, especially on high end collectibles. If the pistol was advertised as original and correct, but is later found to be refinished or faked, then fraud was perpetrated and brings more than a stated three day inspection into the picture. There is a dealer in U.S. militry pistols that is known for the fake and boosted pistols he sells. Apparently he has escaped prosecution by simply returning the buyers money if the buyer complains. I know of one case where the buyer contacted the dealer a year after the purchase and complained that he had the pistol examined by a dozen or so collectors and they all stated that the pistol had been refinished and was in a fake box. The collector had originally been happy with his purchase, but started hearing stories of the faked and boosted pistols the dealer was selling. The buyer had all the correspondence stating that the pistol was in 99% original condition and in the original shipping box, and the dealer refunded the buyers money. Most anyone would be happy to have their money returned rather than to try and drag it through the courts, and the dealer continues on his merry way.

11-08-2002, 09:48 AM	#6
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't know how the ad was worded, but if a pistol is said to be all matching I would expect the magazine to match. If the ad stated all matching except the magazine I would expect a non-matching magazine. In the case of a commercial, I would expect the ad to state all matching except correct un-numbered magazine, or all matching except incorrect numbered magazine. Whether the magazine matches or not makes a difference in the value and desireability of the pistol. The more information that can be given on the front end cuts down on the problems after the sale. While this has nothing to do with Tom's original question, there has been some discussion in the past on how to handle a faked or boosted Luger purchase. Just my opinion but a fake or boosted Luger is not always that easy to tell, especially to someone new to the hobby. The new guy may have to wait until he can get someone to examine the pistol to find out for sure what he has and the three day inspection doesn't help that much. This is where everyone should get a written statement from the seller that the pistol is exactly what it is stated to be as far as to originality and condition, especially on high end collectibles. If the pistol was advertised as original and correct, but is later found to be refinished or faked, then fraud was perpetrated and brings more than a stated three day inspection into the picture. There is a dealer in U.S. militry pistols that is known for the fake and boosted pistols he sells. Apparently he has escaped prosecution by simply returning the buyers money if the buyer complains. I know of one case where the buyer contacted the dealer a year after the purchase and complained that he had the pistol examined by a dozen or so collectors and they all stated that the pistol had been refinished and was in a fake box. The collector had originally been happy with his purchase, but started hearing stories of the faked and boosted pistols the dealer was selling. The buyer had all the correspondence stating that the pistol was in 99% original condition and in the original shipping box, and the dealer refunded the buyers money. Most anyone would be happy to have their money returned rather than to try and drag it through the courts, and the dealer continues on his merry way.