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Sieger · 04-08-2004, 01:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Heinmot:
Mmmm...

I forgot to mention that the magazine was a new Mec-Gar.

The reason I suggested excessive OAL was due to Ken Waters old writeup in Pet Loads where he makes the observation that the problem with feeding in his Luger was excessive length.

Would a truncated cone shaped bullet help? This was the original shape of WW1 German military ammo, wasn't it?

I'll check your OAL {1.165"} for fit in the mag. I assume you are using Mec-Gars, too?

Any opinion about the finish?<hr /></blockquote>Heinmot:

Ken Waters is an excellent writer and I agree with his observations 99% of the time. Here, however, he made an error.

Too long is not the problem, too short is the problem. His whole line of reasoning is flawed because he failed to take into account the way the cartridges slide up the front and rear of the magazine at an angle. The interior of the magazine is only 27mm long, so, naturally, with this design, the OAL of the cartridges must exceed this length, so as not to angle down and bind in the magazine:

Here are the correct OAL as loaded by DWM:

Truncated cone 29.2mm
Round Nose 28.6mm

Yes, a TC bullet will work a little better than a round nose because the pistol was originally designed for them (interior of mag, feed ramp, chamber, etc).

Ken did have a great deal of luck with the accuracy of his 1916 DWM as I recall. Pitty they no longer make the HS-5 he used in his accuracy load.

Sieger

04-08-2004, 01:13 PM	#10
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Heinmot: <strong>Mmmm... I forgot to mention that the magazine was a new Mec-Gar. The reason I suggested excessive OAL was due to Ken Waters old writeup in Pet Loads where he makes the observation that the problem with feeding in his Luger was excessive length. Would a truncated cone shaped bullet help? This was the original shape of WW1 German military ammo, wasn't it? I'll check your OAL {1.165"} for fit in the mag. I assume you are using Mec-Gars, too? Any opinion about the finish?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Heinmot: Ken Waters is an excellent writer and I agree with his observations 99% of the time. Here, however, he made an error. Too long is not the problem, too short is the problem. His whole line of reasoning is flawed because he failed to take into account the way the cartridges slide up the front and rear of the magazine at an angle. The interior of the magazine is only 27mm long, so, naturally, with this design, the OAL of the cartridges must exceed this length, so as not to angle down and bind in the magazine: Here are the correct OAL as loaded by DWM: Truncated cone 29.2mm Round Nose 28.6mm Yes, a TC bullet will work a little better than a round nose because the pistol was originally designed for them (interior of mag, feed ramp, chamber, etc). Ken did have a great deal of luck with the accuracy of his 1916 DWM as I recall. Pitty they no longer make the HS-5 he used in his accuracy load. Sieger