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Frank · 06-15-2003, 06:44 PM

Hi Michael!! Gestapo and SS Units are totally different in terms of function.

When it comes to Lugers there are really no "Gestapo" Lugers. That's just a name given to a specific group of Lugers by some US dealer(s).

Lugers made in 1941 and 1942, and with the designation on the toggle of "byf" can have either black Bakelite or wood grips. Some call the Lugers with the black Bakelite grips, "Black Widows". The wood gripped Lugers in that same era are then called "Gestapo".

If you buy a "Gestapo" Luger from Ralph, it will be a byf 41 or byf 42 and will have wood grips!! And that's all it means!!

Good Luck and Good Hunting!!

06-15-2003, 06:44 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 165 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Michael!! Gestapo and SS Units are totally different in terms of function. When it comes to Lugers there are really no "Gestapo" Lugers. That's just a name given to a specific group of Lugers by some US dealer(s). Lugers made in 1941 and 1942, and with the designation on the toggle of "byf" can have either black Bakelite or wood grips. Some call the Lugers with the black Bakelite grips, "Black Widows". The wood gripped Lugers in that same era are then called "Gestapo". If you buy a "Gestapo" Luger from Ralph, it will be a byf 41 or byf 42 and will have wood grips!! And that's all it means!! Good Luck and Good Hunting!!