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RockinWR · 06-08-2004, 07:37 PM

Ron,
* Once again a masterful job highlighting the crux of this latest discussion with clear digital pics. Thank You!!
* I don't know. Michael's right hand acceptance is a bunch murkier than the left hand one. Think a small crown could be hiding underneath the right hand letter too?
* As to the doublet Crown/Z, I've done a bit of reflection and can confidently speculate:

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(1) I've noted a late 1918 Erfurt (t block) post which likely was in DWM final assembly when WWI ended. It had crowns; but, no Fraktur letter beneath the crowns. Struck me as odd the crowns would be there alone. Translating this to our 1908's, I've wondered if our 1st Issue barrels were originally destined to DWM Commercial production, were awaiting commercial house proofing(c/N), had a crown(only) stamped on the left receiver as an indication these were ready for proof, the Military contact was awarded, the barrels were diverted from stock and allocated to the 1st issues, and received military acceptance inspection and proofing over the lone early crown.

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(2) Walter,TLB, Pgs.32 & 214 explains in detail the Erfurt holdopen retrofit of 1913. We are familiar with the 3 pip crown/P Erfurt applied near the added holdopen. But, the front sight was to be changed at the same time. The DWM crown/Z is a standard 4 pip crown. I wonder if the extra 3 pip crown of this doublet is an Erfurt crown indicating the holdopen, sight, and whatever else was to be retrofitted had been accomplished. Walter indicates the Prussian P.08's received their retrofit by Erfurt in mid 1913.

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(3) Inspector "Z's" Tool & Die maker was farsighted, drank too much Schnapps to compensate, missed the extra crown when reworking an old acceptance stamp for "Z", and was summarily castigated by promotion to making/counting/inspecting roll pins for the entire Ludwig Lowe Organization till he retired with a pewter watch.

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******CONTROL NOW RETURNED TO REALITY*********

* Anyone have a lead on further information which can shed some light on this doublet Crown/Z??
Respectfully,
Bob

06-08-2004, 07:37 PM	#11
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Ron, * Once again a masterful job highlighting the crux of this latest discussion with clear digital pics. Thank You!! * I don't know. Michael's right hand acceptance is a bunch murkier than the left hand one. Think a small crown could be hiding underneath the right hand letter too? * As to the doublet Crown/Z, I've done a bit of reflection and can confidently speculate: **********WAG ALERT - WAG ALERT********** (1) I've noted a late 1918 Erfurt (t block) post which likely was in DWM final assembly when WWI ended. It had crowns; but, no Fraktur letter beneath the crowns. Struck me as odd the crowns would be there alone. Translating this to our 1908's, I've wondered if our 1st Issue barrels were originally destined to DWM Commercial production, were awaiting commercial house proofing(c/N), had a crown(only) stamped on the left receiver as an indication these were ready for proof, the Military contact was awarded, the barrels were diverted from stock and allocated to the 1st issues, and received military acceptance inspection and proofing over the lone early crown. *****************or********************** (2) Walter,TLB, Pgs.32 & 214 explains in detail the Erfurt holdopen retrofit of 1913. We are familiar with the 3 pip crown/P Erfurt applied near the added holdopen. But, the front sight was to be changed at the same time. The DWM crown/Z is a standard 4 pip crown. I wonder if the extra 3 pip crown of this doublet is an Erfurt crown indicating the holdopen, sight, and whatever else was to be retrofitted had been accomplished. Walter indicates the Prussian P.08's received their retrofit by Erfurt in mid 1913. *******************or******************** (3) Inspector "Z's" Tool & Die maker was farsighted, drank too much Schnapps to compensate, missed the extra crown when reworking an old acceptance stamp for "Z", and was summarily castigated by promotion to making/counting/inspecting roll pins for the entire Ludwig Lowe Organization till he retired with a pewter watch. *****WAG ALERT - WAG ALERT************ **CONTROL NOW RETURNED TO REALITY******* * Anyone have a lead on further information which can shed some light on this doublet Crown/Z?? Respectfully, Bob