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G41M · 01-29-2024, 08:55 PM

Geladen,

Going to recommend two books that may clarify some of the history of this particular holster.

1) Gortz/Sturgess, Vol 3-Green book, page 1373, you will see 2 color pictures of holsters with a cleaning rod secured by a flap. Left picture is same maker, same navy stamp, with a cleaning rod in the lid. Look at left picture under magnification, you will see the same short 4 marks underneath "Berlin", there is no date visible at all. Holster to the right is a 1934 Karl Ackva AG with a cleaning rod held in the lid. #1293 Caption to the picture is "a WWI P.08 holster issued to the Weimar era Navy, modified to carry a cleaning rod by addition of a pocket strap, with some additional comments following. Below the two captions, authors state "Only in 1934 were holsters made, or frequently modified to be fitted under their lids with a tube-like leather boot for the jag end of the cleaning rod and an additional leather strap which was passed through the loop handle of the rod and buttoned on the stud of the screwdriver pouch over the screwdriver flap".

2) If you have volume 3, Red, of the Borchardt & Luger by Gortz/Sturgess. Go to page 1249, there is a close up of the holster front like yours, same maker same stamps. I see the same 4 underline bars below "Berlin", but there is no date visible. The same Federal Eagle M as yours, this was used until 1936 when it changed to a straight wing Eagle.

3) Back to page 193 in Costanzo, his whole statement on the M/anchor relative to holsters is "back of holster between belt loops, on right belt loop, inside body of holster. I think it is a "plus" the holster has the Navy marking.

4) Your holster gets its new lease on life in 1934, and this is known by the style of the eagle and the line thickness of the WaA18 stamp. Thin in early 1934 and thick in late 1934.

Having reread G&S, probably originally made during WW1, what I can't answer is if there was a 1918 stamp below "Berlin", how was it removed so cleanly without gouging the holster leather.

Part of the fun in collecting is researching a mystery.

01-29-2024, 08:55 PM	#9
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 40 Thanks: 110 Thanked 166 Times in 29 Posts	Geladen, Going to recommend two books that may clarify some of the history of this particular holster. 1) Gortz/Sturgess, Vol 3-Green book, page 1373, you will see 2 color pictures of holsters with a cleaning rod secured by a flap. Left picture is same maker, same navy stamp, with a cleaning rod in the lid. Look at left picture under magnification, you will see the same short 4 marks underneath "Berlin", there is no date visible at all. Holster to the right is a 1934 Karl Ackva AG with a cleaning rod held in the lid. #1293 Caption to the picture is "a WWI P.08 holster issued to the Weimar era Navy, modified to carry a cleaning rod by addition of a pocket strap, with some additional comments following. Below the two captions, authors state "Only in 1934 were holsters made, or frequently modified to be fitted under their lids with a tube-like leather boot for the jag end of the cleaning rod and an additional leather strap which was passed through the loop handle of the rod and buttoned on the stud of the screwdriver pouch over the screwdriver flap". 2) If you have volume 3, Red, of the Borchardt & Luger by Gortz/Sturgess. Go to page 1249, there is a close up of the holster front like yours, same maker same stamps. I see the same 4 underline bars below "Berlin", but there is no date visible. The same Federal Eagle M as yours, this was used until 1936 when it changed to a straight wing Eagle. 3) Back to page 193 in Costanzo, his whole statement on the M/anchor relative to holsters is "back of holster between belt loops, on right belt loop, inside body of holster. I think it is a "plus" the holster has the Navy marking. 4) Your holster gets its new lease on life in 1934, and this is known by the style of the eagle and the line thickness of the WaA18 stamp. Thin in early 1934 and thick in late 1934. Having reread G&S, probably originally made during WW1, what I can't answer is if there was a 1918 stamp below "Berlin", how was it removed so cleanly without gouging the holster leather. Part of the fun in collecting is researching a mystery.