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MauserLugers · 09-11-2002, 10:20 PM

Hi,
To start this off, my 6 hardest police Banners would be:

(1) 41 two digit Banner with police E/L -- Extremely hard Luger to find, let alone an Police marked variation. Approximately 7 known and found in the 600Y to 1200Y range. Still suggests about 500 procured, but I feel it is more likely about 25 or 50.

(2) 42 two digit Banner with E/L -- Again, extremely hard to find. More commercial variations in this model than the 41 two digit, but the police variation are scarce. Approximately 5 known and found in the 8000Y to 9000Y range. Still suggests about 300 procured, but again, I feel it is more likely about 25 to 50.

(3) 1940 Swiss commercial with E/L. These are extremely hard to find and might be the hardest of any. They were taken from the Swiss commercial contract and sent to the police. They have strawed parts, a sear safety, and E/L marked. Approximately 3 known. They are found in the 6000W to 7000W range.

(4) This is a tricky one, as Jan Still has these labeled in his book as a Banner Army, but all the ones I have seen with a matching magazine were marked with a 1 or 2 to suggest to me they are actually police Lugers. This would be the 1939 "Banner Army" found in the low 600X serial range and only 3 known. They are drilled for a sear safety, but it was never added and they have two 655 proofs on the right receiver but no army test proof on the receiver or barrel.

(5) This would be the 1938 E/K variation. Found in the low 7000V range. Approximately 275 made and only around 16 recorded.

(6) Probably the 1940 E/C. Seldom seen. Approximately 20 known and found in the 1100X to 2500X serial range. Approximately 1100 procured.

(7) Next would be the 1940 "Banner Army" -Approximately 20 known and in the 600X to 1500X serial range. Same characteristics as the 1939 and the 1940 E/C follows these.

(8) There is suppose to be a 1939 E/F in the V block with only something like 5 known. Most of the 1939 E/F's were in the low "W" block. As with all of the hard to find variations, messed or counterfiet pieces are more commonly seen than the real examples. All the numbers posted here are rough estimates and I'm sure more are actually out there than have been recored. Serial ranges are also rough estimates.

Thats my guess, what's yours?

09-11-2002, 10:20 PM	#6
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, To start this off, my 6 hardest police Banners would be: (1) 41 two digit Banner with police E/L -- Extremely hard Luger to find, let alone an Police marked variation. Approximately 7 known and found in the 600Y to 1200Y range. Still suggests about 500 procured, but I feel it is more likely about 25 or 50. (2) 42 two digit Banner with E/L -- Again, extremely hard to find. More commercial variations in this model than the 41 two digit, but the police variation are scarce. Approximately 5 known and found in the 8000Y to 9000Y range. Still suggests about 300 procured, but again, I feel it is more likely about 25 to 50. (3) 1940 Swiss commercial with E/L. These are extremely hard to find and might be the hardest of any. They were taken from the Swiss commercial contract and sent to the police. They have strawed parts, a sear safety, and E/L marked. Approximately 3 known. They are found in the 6000W to 7000W range. (4) This is a tricky one, as Jan Still has these labeled in his book as a Banner Army, but all the ones I have seen with a matching magazine were marked with a 1 or 2 to suggest to me they are actually police Lugers. This would be the 1939 "Banner Army" found in the low 600X serial range and only 3 known. They are drilled for a sear safety, but it was never added and they have two 655 proofs on the right receiver but no army test proof on the receiver or barrel. (5) This would be the 1938 E/K variation. Found in the low 7000V range. Approximately 275 made and only around 16 recorded. (6) Probably the 1940 E/C. Seldom seen. Approximately 20 known and found in the 1100X to 2500X serial range. Approximately 1100 procured. (7) Next would be the 1940 "Banner Army" -Approximately 20 known and in the 600X to 1500X serial range. Same characteristics as the 1939 and the 1940 E/C follows these. (8) There is suppose to be a 1939 E/F in the V block with only something like 5 known. Most of the 1939 E/F's were in the low "W" block. As with all of the hard to find variations, messed or counterfiet pieces are more commonly seen than the real examples. All the numbers posted here are rough estimates and I'm sure more are actually out there than have been recored. Serial ranges are also rough estimates. Thats my guess, what's yours?