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Unread 10-06-2018, 11:01 PM   #28
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Default Better luck cycling and extracting today.

So about 8 weeks ago tackling getting my luger up and running again. Long saga here and another post. When "we" left the idea was get some PPU when it showed up again, try that over Fiocchi as I was not able to get gun to "lock out" on last round, and clearly would not cycle.

So while waiting I saw post with suggestion to leave gun in hold-back for a while to "compress" spring...or whatever might happen. Left gun with toggle open for about 3 weeks, saw PPU online, ordered, closed toggle in anticipation of arrival.

Went to range today, box of Fiocchi FMJ (vendor mistakenly sent me Soft Point first time, deal was send me FMJ, vendor pays shipping--seemed reasonable, figured I'd shoot it one day). So thinking I'll try the FMJ before I cycle the PPU through.....one at a time, see if Toggle locks out on final (in this case only round) in magazine. With buddy, we're taking turns. First round, toggle lock!? Second, toggle lock..!? OK, this goes on for first 6 shots. OK, 2 rounds in mag, cycles both, locks. OK!!! He and I continue to fire taking turns, 5 rounds each in the mag. Go through the entire box of 50, 3 stove-pipes(all on him? Conclusion--none).

So did the toggle locked back for 3 weeks have any effect on spring strength? Don't know.
The soft point Fiocchi I fought with originally--all gone.
FMJ Fiocchi more powerful than soft point? Unknown.
FMJ cycle better than soft point? Unknown, didn't try and cycle many soft points as I couldn't even get the toggle to lock, let alone have power to cycle.
Is PPU more powerful--will fire those next time, we'll see if they cycle better. but who knows? Seemed to cycle fine today. Is problem of 50+ yrs of inactivity solved?

Very pleased with gun function today. Don't know why all 3 stovepipes were on him. Read that "firm grip" would but more recoil energy into the toggle and enhance movement. I can see some of the physics in that but not buying it....anecdotal story, can't measure.

The top photo is 25 rds of the Luger at 7M, lower photo is 25 rds of 9mm S&W MP at 7M. I generally say that "it's a poor carpenter that blames his tools..." but in this case the Luger is clearly the better tool in these conditions. Not even close.
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