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Originally Posted by CJS57
So in this case the shill wins the $6,000 Luger. Now what does the seller do? Can't really relist it. And the shill is not going to pay for it.
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Covered in post #7 and by George's post. Absolutely it can be re-listed after time or on another site, at retail, different pictures or description etc.
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Originally Posted by CJS57
still don't see the proof of shill bidding.
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I don't see anyone saying there is 'proof'. The comments are on the evidence. In post #7 it it's noted that that it could be legitimate.
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Originally Posted by CJS57
have sold several guns on GB that went for fully double the real normal value. No shill. 2 buyers got into a bidding war and in the end the gun was sold and paid for at the huge stupid price. How do you explain that?
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Anyone who participates in auctions eventually sells things for more than than market, sometimes substantially more. Bid wars are a known aspect. Shills try to start and stoke those. I see lots of stuff go above market on GB, where I don't think shills are involved. I also regularly see bargains. That some or even most transactions are legitimate has nothing to do with shill bidding.
I don't want to bash GB or even this seller. But, I think auctions represent both risk and opportunity. Understanding seller ruses is helpful.