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Malamute · 01-04-2017, 11:44 AM

I think I saw his video that was linked in the first post, it was a while back. When the subject of bullet drop at longer pistol ranges arises on forums, be sure you are not using the drop from muzzle info, rather than drop from a zero'ed distance, they will be quite different.

Many of us in the west shoot pistols at stupid long distances. The g-19 I have, Ive shot it more at 200-300 yards more than any other distance, partly because its easy where I shoot the most, and its quite fun. For a perspective on drop and shooting distance, some ask "how much drop/holdover for X distance?" Well, it doesn't really matter what the figures are, its not how most of us shoot at distance. Rather than "holding over" with the sight tops even and holding them some amount above the target (and therefore obscuring the target), most that are successful use a different method with the sights. By holding more front sight above the rear, and keeping the target/front sight relationship the same, it allows you to see the target, and is more easily repeatable in other environments other than your favorite shooting spot. You cant use that one clump of sagebrush as a reference point someplace else. With the proper method, using a G-19 and WWB ammo, I regularly hit an 18" steel plate at 300 yards by holding the front sight right ON the plate, and lowering the top edge of the rear sight to about 2/3 down the dot in the factory front sight. How much by drop figures? It doesn't really matter what the figures are, its a lot of shooting and trial and error, but once done some, isn't really not that difficult to repeat.

Mistakes in your hold, breathing, and trigger let off are magnified tremendously, but misses in dry dusty country give instant feedback that tends to make you pay very close attention to the basics and knuckle down and start walking them in. I can coach almost anyone that's a fair to decent shooter how to get hits in a few minutes if they listen and take their time. If anyone has doubts (and many do) Id show them in person if they were in the area. Reading Elmer Keiths writing on the matter is how I and many got started, it snowballs from there. Making over half the magazine as hits at 300 yards is tremendously fun and satisfying. I shot only once at the 22" 600 yard plate. I had a spotter with binoculars, but in one magazine, with shots called, I made one hit (sitting/kneeling, two hands, left elbow rested on left knee), on my first ever (and since) try at that range. I have no doubt a shooter the class of Miculek can make hits at crazy distances with enough practice, and Id guess hes shot tens of thousands of rounds in similar shooting.

Once you get it figured out two handed, you can up the challenge by doing it one handed (300 yards). It doesn't happen overnight, but years of background and practice, and scads of "wasted" ammo, and things pick up a bit. Still, almost anyone can do it if they get started right Most that don't believe it tried it once or twice, with poor methods, then proclaim it isn't possible and anyone saying it isn't telling the truth. Practical? No, not really, but it is one of the most fun aspects of shooting recreationally.

01-04-2017, 11:44 AM	#15
Malamute New User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Northern Rockies Posts: 4 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I think I saw his video that was linked in the first post, it was a while back. When the subject of bullet drop at longer pistol ranges arises on forums, be sure you are not using the drop from muzzle info, rather than drop from a zero'ed distance, they will be quite different. Many of us in the west shoot pistols at stupid long distances. The g-19 I have, Ive shot it more at 200-300 yards more than any other distance, partly because its easy where I shoot the most, and its quite fun. For a perspective on drop and shooting distance, some ask "how much drop/holdover for X distance?" Well, it doesn't really matter what the figures are, its not how most of us shoot at distance. Rather than "holding over" with the sight tops even and holding them some amount above the target (and therefore obscuring the target), most that are successful use a different method with the sights. By holding more front sight above the rear, and keeping the target/front sight relationship the same, it allows you to see the target, and is more easily repeatable in other environments other than your favorite shooting spot. You cant use that one clump of sagebrush as a reference point someplace else. With the proper method, using a G-19 and WWB ammo, I regularly hit an 18" steel plate at 300 yards by holding the front sight right ON the plate, and lowering the top edge of the rear sight to about 2/3 down the dot in the factory front sight. How much by drop figures? It doesn't really matter what the figures are, its a lot of shooting and trial and error, but once done some, isn't really not that difficult to repeat. Mistakes in your hold, breathing, and trigger let off are magnified tremendously, but misses in dry dusty country give instant feedback that tends to make you pay very close attention to the basics and knuckle down and start walking them in. I can coach almost anyone that's a fair to decent shooter how to get hits in a few minutes if they listen and take their time. If anyone has doubts (and many do) Id show them in person if they were in the area. Reading Elmer Keiths writing on the matter is how I and many got started, it snowballs from there. Making over half the magazine as hits at 300 yards is tremendously fun and satisfying. I shot only once at the 22" 600 yard plate. I had a spotter with binoculars, but in one magazine, with shots called, I made one hit (sitting/kneeling, two hands, left elbow rested on left knee), on my first ever (and since) try at that range. I have no doubt a shooter the class of Miculek can make hits at crazy distances with enough practice, and Id guess hes shot tens of thousands of rounds in similar shooting. Once you get it figured out two handed, you can up the challenge by doing it one handed (300 yards). It doesn't happen overnight, but years of background and practice, and scads of "wasted" ammo, and things pick up a bit. Still, almost anyone can do it if they get started right Most that don't believe it tried it once or twice, with poor methods, then proclaim it isn't possible and anyone saying it isn't telling the truth. Practical? No, not really, but it is one of the most fun aspects of shooting recreationally.