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mrerick · 06-10-2016, 09:52 AM

Sergio, to be clear, I am confident that Olle is being sarcastic about the safety of citizens in supposed "gun free" zones.

The United States is an interesting organizing structure for a country, based in "federation" of independent entities. Law in the USA is coordinated by our constitution at the national level, but very few and a limited number of rights was ceded by the states to the Federal government. For everything not specifically named in Federal law the responsibility to govern resides at the state level in the USA, not at the national level.

The states voluntarily "federated" together improving our commerce and defense and enabling our revolution against England. The states are still independent entities.

We have a saying that "all politics are local".

The dispute here is that the state of California has established restrictions that appear to conflict with our constitution. They were sued in Federal court, and that court (after appeal) has found that California's actions didn't violate the national constitution.

If a state in another Federal judicial district tried the same thing, they would likely be reversed on constitutional grounds by a court that is more rational and grounded in more conservative principles.

Most other states have much more rational laws governing the carrying of handguns. As you cross borders between states (and sometimes between counties and municipalities within states) the rules can change. Some of our states have recently improved their laws so that any citizen permitted to have a gun can carry one concealed.

Many of our states will accept another state's concealed carry permit or license. Even so, we have to act under different specific rules when we cross the border.

The fact is that the Federal constitution says that our right to bear arms "will not be infringed". It is only through very convoluted logic and an approach that stretches the imagination that California's laws could be found to be constitutional.

As a result, this Federal district court is the one that has been the most reversed in the USA.

06-10-2016, 09:52 AM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Sergio, to be clear, I am confident that Olle is being sarcastic about the safety of citizens in supposed "gun free" zones. The United States is an interesting organizing structure for a country, based in "federation" of independent entities. Law in the USA is coordinated by our constitution at the national level, but very few and a limited number of rights was ceded by the states to the Federal government. For everything not specifically named in Federal law the responsibility to govern resides at the state level in the USA, not at the national level. The states voluntarily "federated" together improving our commerce and defense and enabling our revolution against England. The states are still independent entities. We have a saying that "all politics are local". The dispute here is that the state of California has established restrictions that appear to conflict with our constitution. They were sued in Federal court, and that court (after appeal) has found that California's actions didn't violate the national constitution. If a state in another Federal judicial district tried the same thing, they would likely be reversed on constitutional grounds by a court that is more rational and grounded in more conservative principles. Most other states have much more rational laws governing the carrying of handguns. As you cross borders between states (and sometimes between counties and municipalities within states) the rules can change. Some of our states have recently improved their laws so that any citizen permitted to have a gun can carry one concealed. Many of our states will accept another state's concealed carry permit or license. Even so, we have to act under different specific rules when we cross the border. The fact is that the Federal constitution says that our right to bear arms "will not be infringed". It is only through very convoluted logic and an approach that stretches the imagination that California's laws could be found to be constitutional. As a result, this Federal district court is the one that has been the most reversed in the USA. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.