I purchased a pair not that long ago off of Ebay, and they were at least 1/4in too short. I figured that it was on me as the seller had disclaimers in his ad. I gave him a positive feed back and mentioned that they would not work for me and my Lugers. To my surprise, the seller said send them back and he refunded the price AND the postage. I was thrilled. I saw the same pair of grips up for sale in less than a week and he got $10 MORE than I had paid for them. We live and learn, .....and hopefully remember it!!