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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Yeah, that's him! I got it wrong because I only remember the first story! -

The Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz) is a superhero who appears in comic books published by DC Comics. Created by writer Joseph Samachson and artist Joe Certa, the character first appeared in Detective Comics #225 "The Manhunter From Mars" in November 1955.

That's right, his given name was J'onn J'onzz. I had forgotten that name. Thanks for reminding me.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Don't remember that one - but you reminded me of a group of four survivors of an atomic war called "The Atomic Knights". They wore medieval-like armor to protect them from the radiation. Probably DC Comics - I don't really remember any others except the Disney characters line.

I don't remember the armor wearing one you are talking about.

Originally Posted by sheepherder

According to Wikipedia, the super-simians appeared in the Flash comics -Gorilla City is a fictional city in the DC Comics Universe. The city, hidden in the jungles of Africa, is home to a race of super-intelligent gorillas, that gained their powers from a meteorite...Gorilla City first appears in The Flash vol. 1 #106, (April 1959)...After an alien spacecraft crashes into the jungles of Africa, local gorillas become hyper-intelligent and acquire telepathic abilities. These gorillas form Gorilla City. The city led by Solovar quickly creates technology far surpassing that of humanity and cloaks itself from human society.

I don't remember that one either. But the fact that the Simians cloaked themselves from being discovered by humans, showed how smart they were. Humans would have just taken them over, stole their technology, their city and their land, and studied and dissected them in labs, and eventually wiped them all out except for a few examples they would have kept in zoos or on special ape reservations. Almost like our government did to the American Indians. Heck, sometimes I wish I could go to a secret island and cloak myself and my family from being discovered by the rest of humanity. Kind of like the Swiss Family Robinson, or Robinson Crusoe. But before I did that, my granddaughters would have to grow up and one marry a dentist and one marry a doctor....who took all their tools with them to our secret, cloaked island. The oldest is only 14 and the other is 6. So it will be awhile ROFL!

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I saw a Hubley that looked like my old one except for the serrated hammer, so I must have had the 'fanner' version. The T-lock top break was familiar, but the one on eBay had enfraving/filigree/whatever it's called, and I don't recall that. It did have the cream & black grips. It was cool! I was disappointed that i didn't get the Mattel Fanner 50, but I grew to like the Hubley better.

Sheephearder I can help you with the Hubley's since I've been searching online (for the two gun rig exactly like I had) for years. Once I found a kinda ragged out and torn version just like my twin holsters, (belt and twin holsters only, no cap guns) but it was in too bad of shape for me to want it. And once I found the EXACT twin holsters twin Hubley's with blue grips identical to mine and in almost mint condition, but I quit bidding at $360.00! Can you believe the today prices for these antique toy guns from the '50's and '60's? Unbelievable.

Anyway, the largest toy gun site online is Nichols. They show all kinds of cap pistols of every type. Go to their link I'm providing and if you had a cap pistol in the 1930's to 1960's, you can bet there will be an example or two of it there. They have 12 pages just on Hubleys!

But before I get to the Nichols site, here's a pic below of the Hubley Colt .38 (the one with the smooth and wide "fanner" hammer), and some of the Hubley Texan .38 (the one with the less wide and serrated hammer). There were various styles of grips on both, and you can buy replacement reproduction grips for them on ebay (to match which grips you had as a kid). Which isn't a bad idea since sometimes the original plastic grips have shrunk with age and warp.

Below is the Hubley Colt .38 with the wide, smooth, "fanner" hammer, with fake stag grips that you can always change out to another style like the longhorn steer head grips like you and I had Sheepherder.


Next below, is the Hubley Texan .38 which except for saying "Texan .38" on it, and having a more narrow and serrated hammer, is otherwise identical to the Hubley Colt .38. Although you now believe yours was a "fanner" hammer like mine was Sheepherder, this one looks like the longhorn steer head grips you described.....cream and black. Some Hubley Colt .38 and some Texan .38's had the star on the grip painted red and some didn't. My set from 1959 didn't.



Next below, is several pics that except for the grips having ribbons of black mixed in with the blue, is exactly like mine were (no black ribbons in my blue grips). I'm showing you a couple of pics of it to also allow you to see the "fanner" hammer and how wide it is and smooth....as opposed to the more narrow serrated hammer of the Hubley Texan .38.


Below, nice pic of the underside of the "fanner" hammer showing how wide it is. The star on the grip (actually on the grip frame, grip had a cutout hole that fit over the star) is not painted red. Mine were plain just like that.


Another nice closeup of the Hubley Colt .38 "fanner" hammer.


And real quick....not a Hubley, but a Mattel belt buckel derringer I had (pic isn't the one I had) that spring loaded swung out and fired a "greenie stickem cap" and plastic bullet when you pushed your stomach out against the buckle. The derringer could also be removed from the buckle and fired by hand. Had that for years, even into my adult life. Not sure what happened to it. Probably lost in a move or something.




Okay, now for the jewel of all cap gun sites, and where you will see antique cap guns in better condition than most....Nichols at this link.....http://www.nicholscapguns.com/index.html

And Nichols has a full twelve pages just on Hubley cap guns! They have many, many pages on other model cap guns too. Everything practically is there. You'll enjoy going back in time and seeing your childhood cap guns and learn a lot too. I always wanted that Hubley "Rifleman" rifle. Never got it. But Nichols shows it, and rare versions of it too with a white stock and standard models of it too.

Here a set identical to the Hubley Colt .38 double holster/gun set I got for Christmas in 1959 on page 7 (of 12 Hubley pages) at the Nichols site. Same blue "jewels" on the belt and holsters, same exact holster and belt and same exact Colt .38 guns with the wide, smooth, "fanner" hammers and one color blue grips with unpainted star. I sooo want this set and have been trying to get one like this for years. Like I said, I almost got an identical to this one set, but stopped bidding at $360.00 I want one, but not enough to pay more than $360.00, I can be happy just getting one gun and forget the holster rig and other gun. I just want it to go along with my Mattel shootin shell fanner for display. I went a little crazy even bidding that high to $360.00 and I STILL didn't win it! Antique toy cap guns can be profitable!


Closer up view of set identical to mine. This and the above pic is identical to the set you saw me wearing in my pics from March 1960 that I posted earlier on page one in this thread.


Sheepherder, all the Hubley Colt .38's as well as the Hubley .38 Texans, all had that engraving on them. Never seen one that didn't. And if memory serves me, they were also both double action only and although you could fan them, they were incapable of single action fire. But so is my Mattel shooting shell fanner. My Mattel shootin shell fanner can be fanned or double action'ed, but is also incapable of single action fire. The little short metal cartridges for the Hubley's are available on ebay too. If memory serves me, I think I used "greenie stickem caps" on the back of the cartridges and they worked, even though they weren't made for the Hubley and were made for the Mattel cap guns. Also, the "ejector rod" under the barrel is fixed, doesn't work, and is just for looks. But if I recall correctly, the cap gun ejected the cases just like a Webley did when you unhooked the latch and lowered the barrel. At least I think it ejected like that. Heck, it's been 55 years since I had one in my hand, so some memories are dim. No doubt when I finally get one, I'll be surprised at how small it feels, just like I was surprised at how small the Mattel shootin shell fanner felt to me when I found it in a box in my wife's parent's attic. Felt much larger when I was a kid. The cap gun didn't change.....I did. Lol. Here's some pics of that Mattel Shootin shell fanner we found in my wife's parents attic.

My finger tip can barely fit in front of the trigger today.


The loading and loading gate, was just like a real '73 Colt peacemaker. Very realistic for a cap gun in that era.


Left side with the spring loaded cartridge. I got lucky, it had all six cartridges in it. No plastic bullets though and flaking is pretty bad and cylinder timing and indexing isn't good. But it was free and just like the one I had as a kid.


Right side.


Closer view of end of spring loaded cartridge where the plastic bullet would go.


Another view of the loading gate. See that hole in the right grip? You put your plastic bullet in there nose down, and then shoved the cartridge on top of it to load the cartridge.


Another view of very realistic loading gate.


Showing how small the Mattel shootin shell fanner is in relation to my hand. Fit much better in my hand when I was 7 to 8 yrs old. Lol. I had my Hubley's first and earlier, a year or two before I got my Mattel shootin shell fanner.
Okay, off the Mattel shootin shell fanner and back to the Hubley's.


Sheepherder, if you could live with the serrated hammer Hubley .38 Texan, there's one included in with a batch of two others on page two of the classifieds at Nichols. It has the cream with black longhorn steer head grips like yours had. But it doesn't work correctly ad says, so you'd have to live with that or get it fixed. Seller wants $89.00 for all three at this link.....
http://www.nicholscapguns.com/classifieds2.htm

Myself, I'm waiting for the "Fanner" hammer one like I had. To me, that's the whole idea, to get one EXACTLY like what I had 55 years ago. Otherwise, no sense in getting it in my opinion. But included that link for you just in case you were interested.

There's also one currently on ebay for $40.00 so far, but it doesn't work either and is missing its cylinder. There are guys who specialize in fixing cap guns and some replacement parts are available, even newly made replacement parts for them.

I regularly watch for them on ebay. But I'd like to get one with the longhorn steer head blue grips like mine had. If I see one with the cream and black longhorn steer heads, I'll shoot you a P.M. with the link Sheepherder. But even a single gun, without holster, will run about $60.00, and that's with flaking and indexing issues, considerably more if in really fine shape condition, and even more if still sealed in the plastic or unfired in the box. Recapturing fragments of our childhood isn't cheap! Lol.



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