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alvin · 01-30-2015, 05:58 PM

Yes. Federal Ordnance Carbine was M713 -- it was converted from M1930.

Here is a Norinco made frame. This frame was better done. On the left side five characters says "Selbstlader Pistole". Rumor saying one type of old Chinese copy had that marking, but I have never seen an old one like that. Anyway, "Selbstlader" specificly refers to Broomhandle in Chinese language. Other pistols, regardless being a semi-auto or not, did not carry this name.

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Another interesting thing was... historically, both Spanish and Chinese copied Mauser. But I only heard Mauser cursing Spanish for doing that, but never heard Mauser cursing Chinese for more complete copying behavior.. probably they considered Spanish copy being a competition, but Chinese copy being a free advertisement in the marketplace?? God knows.

01-30-2015, 05:58 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yes. Federal Ordnance Carbine was M713 -- it was converted from M1930. Here is a Norinco made frame. This frame was better done. On the left side five characters says "Selbstlader Pistole". Rumor saying one type of old Chinese copy had that marking, but I have never seen an old one like that. Anyway, "Selbstlader" specificly refers to Broomhandle in Chinese language. Other pistols, regardless being a semi-auto or not, did not carry this name. http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12857499# Another interesting thing was... historically, both Spanish and Chinese copied Mauser. But I only heard Mauser cursing Spanish for doing that, but never heard Mauser cursing Chinese for more complete copying behavior.. probably they considered Spanish copy being a competition, but Chinese copy being a free advertisement in the marketplace?? God knows.