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Big Norm · 04-26-2002, 02:27 AM

Ron,

good points. My problem is not with altering the rear toggle of a Luger. If someone wants to alter their Luger, then so be it. Just do not make the alteration look like the original navy toggle so that fifty years from now or someone with reasonable Luger knowledge would not mistake it.

I have long admired Spuhr HÃ?Â¥kans Lugers on The Owners Gallery not only for the craftsmanship but also for the photography. There is no mistaking his guns for what they are. In another thread, there are complaints about the navy Lugers not having windage adjustments and what could be done to correct that situation. I have no problem with that. I saw an earlier post that had a "Baby" Luger with a navy rear toggle on it. For that particular Luger, I thought it silly to put a navy toggle on a gun that is basically a point and shoot thing. So I looked at it and didn't say anything.

If, in the original post that started my complaints, the individual had said that he wanted to make a navy rear toggle but that he had an idea to make it even better. I would have said nothing. If he had said that they were going to make an exact real navy toggle reproduction out of stainless steel for the currently on the market stainless steel navy Lugers I would have thought that it really might be a good idea. Something worth watching.

What really goes thru my mind is a gun show that I went to last year where a guy had engraved a 1917 artillery with unit marks. I looked at the gun and played dumb. I just wanted to see just how far this jerk would go to sell me his Luger. This guy was jumping through hoops to try to convince me that the engravings were original. The guy did not know that he was the talk of the show and everyone was laughing AT him. It was sickening to me to observe just how far this guy would go. He actually permanently ruined an otherwise very nice artillery just to make a few bucks more.

With that in mind, I keep thinking about some guy altering a shooter to look and feel like a authentic navy Luger. Then some fifty years later, his great grand children finding his gun in an old suitcase of great grandfathers in the basement and then selling it off as a rare original mint navy Luger.

I have met many guys who are small gun collectors who only want something representative of different guns. They want only to have one nice Luger in their collection. But they know nothing about Stills or Kenyon. These poor guys are sitting ducks for the unscrupulous. I know, someones going to say "Thats Their Stupidity". But I feel for these guys. They don't have any idea of who is really a Luger "expert". There are guys out there who will convince you that they know everything there is to know about Lugers but really don't know nothing. An ego thing.

Big Norm

04-26-2002, 02:27 AM	#18
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Nice post! Ron, good points. My problem is not with altering the rear toggle of a Luger. If someone wants to alter their Luger, then so be it. Just do not make the alteration look like the original navy toggle so that fifty years from now or someone with reasonable Luger knowledge would not mistake it. I have long admired Spuhr HÃ?Â¥kans Lugers on The Owners Gallery not only for the craftsmanship but also for the photography. There is no mistaking his guns for what they are. In another thread, there are complaints about the navy Lugers not having windage adjustments and what could be done to correct that situation. I have no problem with that. I saw an earlier post that had a "Baby" Luger with a navy rear toggle on it. For that particular Luger, I thought it silly to put a navy toggle on a gun that is basically a point and shoot thing. So I looked at it and didn't say anything. If, in the original post that started my complaints, the individual had said that he wanted to make a navy rear toggle but that he had an idea to make it even better. I would have said nothing. If he had said that they were going to make an exact real navy toggle reproduction out of stainless steel for the currently on the market stainless steel navy Lugers I would have thought that it really might be a good idea. Something worth watching. What really goes thru my mind is a gun show that I went to last year where a guy had engraved a 1917 artillery with unit marks. I looked at the gun and played dumb. I just wanted to see just how far this jerk would go to sell me his Luger. This guy was jumping through hoops to try to convince me that the engravings were original. The guy did not know that he was the talk of the show and everyone was laughing AT him. It was sickening to me to observe just how far this guy would go. He actually permanently ruined an otherwise very nice artillery just to make a few bucks more. With that in mind, I keep thinking about some guy altering a shooter to look and feel like a authentic navy Luger. Then some fifty years later, his great grand children finding his gun in an old suitcase of great grandfathers in the basement and then selling it off as a rare original mint navy Luger. I have met many guys who are small gun collectors who only want something representative of different guns. They want only to have one nice Luger in their collection. But they know nothing about Stills or Kenyon. These poor guys are sitting ducks for the unscrupulous. I know, someones going to say "Thats Their Stupidity". But I feel for these guys. They don't have any idea of who is really a Luger "expert". There are guys out there who will convince you that they know everything there is to know about Lugers but really don't know nothing. An ego thing. Big Norm