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alvin · 12-01-2013, 06:12 AM

The picture is too dark to evaluate. But one thing for sure, the grip panels were either modified or reproduced. I saw this gun somewhere, but I forgot where. Texas dealer?

Mauro and Vlim's article is great. There are many things that collectors cannot summarize out accurately through sample observation no matter how many instances that they have seen. Only original document can describe those accurately. So, that's invaluable.

But production volume article does not replace individual sample observation either. For collector searching for Persian, pay special attention on the "sunrise" stamp. If the stamp does not halo, it's reblued, period. Of course, C96 is not special, it's same group of professionals working on other C&Rs working on C96, be aware the common tricks. Not saying reblued guns are absolutely not acceptable, but knowing the state.

In C96 world, rarity 1x and 1.5x can be rated as "common"; rarity 2x and 2.5x can be rated as "scarce"; rarity 3x, 3.5x, and 4x can be rated as "rare" (so Persian is rare). Above 4x, "very rare" (if not very rare, at least very expensive). For 4x and above variations, lower shape and nicely done reblue might be acceptable... but that's up to individual. Below 3x, many original instances (or, mostly original but with minor modification instances) exist in various kinds of shapes. Persian is on the boundary, or above. This is a very personal view. Amazingly, for a gun with only 1100 production volume, it's only 4x. Its production volume was only about 0.3% of standard C96 (i.e. C96/M1912, s/n from 120K to 430K). We can see the non-linear nature of C&R.
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[Edit] Just realized one thing -- no books address those?? This is forum only. No wonder we see collector books in mint condition collected lots of dust listed for sale

12-01-2013, 06:12 AM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The picture is too dark to evaluate. But one thing for sure, the grip panels were either modified or reproduced. I saw this gun somewhere, but I forgot where. Texas dealer? Mauro and Vlim's article is great. There are many things that collectors cannot summarize out accurately through sample observation no matter how many instances that they have seen. Only original document can describe those accurately. So, that's invaluable. But production volume article does not replace individual sample observation either. For collector searching for Persian, pay special attention on the "sunrise" stamp. If the stamp does not halo, it's reblued, period. Of course, C96 is not special, it's same group of professionals working on other C&Rs working on C96, be aware the common tricks. Not saying reblued guns are absolutely not acceptable, but knowing the state. In C96 world, rarity 1x and 1.5x can be rated as "common"; rarity 2x and 2.5x can be rated as "scarce"; rarity 3x, 3.5x, and 4x can be rated as "rare" (so Persian is rare). Above 4x, "very rare" (if not very rare, at least very expensive). For 4x and above variations, lower shape and nicely done reblue might be acceptable... but that's up to individual. Below 3x, many original instances (or, mostly original but with minor modification instances) exist in various kinds of shapes. Persian is on the boundary, or above. This is a very personal view. Amazingly, for a gun with only 1100 production volume, it's only 4x. Its production volume was only about 0.3% of standard C96 (i.e. C96/M1912, s/n from 120K to 430K). We can see the non-linear nature of C&R. ----- [Edit] Just realized one thing -- no books address those?? This is forum only. No wonder we see collector books in mint condition collected lots of dust listed for sale Last edited by alvin; 12-01-2013 at 07:25 AM.