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mrerick · 06-12-2013, 10:32 AM

I think that the UN treaty would have a great impact on us if the country enters into it. It will also impact our collecting even if the US doesn't ratify it in congress.

The last qualification about " if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals" pretty much applies to any firearm of any type. As such, the treaty would be used to completely stop the import or export of firearms or firearm parts for countries that enter into the agreement.

If we enter into this treaty, the constitution and bill of rights will not help us in the areas that we agree to. Agreement specifies international behavior of our government, not our individual rights. Agreement to the treaty may be proven unconstitutional because our government agrees to things that impact individual rights.

The core goal of the UN treaty is to inhibit international trade in arms of all types. This is rooted in a hatred of guns. It will be interpreted conservatively until countries enter into the agreement, then it will be interpreted as widely as possible.

I do see the international trade of in firearms drying up because of this treaty whether we enter into it or not. This is why many of the European firearms manufacturers have built their own factories in North America, and have stopped using agents and distributors.

The entire treaty is here:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/do...Mar_2013-E.pdf

Here's the PR blurb:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/dc3434.doc.htm

With the Arms Trade Treaty, “the world has decided to finally put an end to the free-for-all nature of international weapons transfers,”

Here's the objective:

"Establish the highest possible common international standards for regulating or [font=serif]improving the regulation of the international trade in conventional arms;"

Read "highest possible" as "most restrictive" and you have the idea.

And yes, it applies to conventional pistols: "(h) Small arms and light weapons".

So, with implementation of this travesty, it will not be possible to exchange historic collectable firearms or their parts between countries.

Here is the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs website:

http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/

While a good idea originally, I think that the UN has become very corrupt over the decades. Take away arms and the only arms will be held by the criminals. Does anyone really think the next Pol Pot will pay any attention to this?

Marc

06-12-2013, 10:32 AM	#1
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	I think that the UN treaty would have a great impact on us if the country enters into it. It will also impact our collecting even if the US doesn't ratify it in congress. The last qualification about " if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals" pretty much applies to any firearm of any type. As such, the treaty would be used to completely stop the import or export of firearms or firearm parts for countries that enter into the agreement. If we enter into this treaty, the constitution and bill of rights will not help us in the areas that we agree to. Agreement specifies international behavior of our government, not our individual rights. Agreement to the treaty may be proven unconstitutional because our government agrees to things that impact individual rights. The core goal of the UN treaty is to inhibit international trade in arms of all types. This is rooted in a hatred of guns. It will be interpreted conservatively until countries enter into the agreement, then it will be interpreted as widely as possible. I do see the international trade of in firearms drying up because of this treaty whether we enter into it or not. This is why many of the European firearms manufacturers have built their own factories in North America, and have stopped using agents and distributors. The entire treaty is here: http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/do...Mar_2013-E.pdf Here's the PR blurb: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2013/dc3434.doc.htm With the Arms Trade Treaty, “the world has decided to finally put an end to the free-for-all nature of international weapons transfers,” Here's the objective: "Establish the highest possible common international standards for regulating or [font=serif]improving the regulation of the international trade in conventional arms;" Read "highest possible" as "most restrictive" and you have the idea. And yes, it applies to conventional pistols: "(h) Small arms and light weapons". So, with implementation of this travesty, it will not be possible to exchange historic collectable firearms or their parts between countries. Here is the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs website: http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/ While a good idea originally, I think that the UN has become very corrupt over the decades. Take away arms and the only arms will be held by the criminals. Does anyone really think the next Pol Pot will pay any attention to this? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.