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David Jackson · 03-12-2002, 02:41 AM

Thanks for all the input and good information fellow forum users!

Here is what I have found; on page 202 Kenyon shows and discusses a 1923 Commercial, Safe & Loaded. He mentions some having an eagle over the chamber.

That all matches this gun except for the serial number range.

In answer to Ron Wood's question; yes all the numbers match. Cal .30 Luger. Definitely has an Eagle and definitely is not from parts assembled after the fact.

In response the Bill; this is closer to a Mauser assembled DWM eagle than anything else except the suffix (k) is too early.

Marvin; I don't think I can get this one for $1,000; of course that doesn't mean it is worth more than that; just means the person who has it thinks it is!

David J.

Harry Jones mentions 1920 and 1923 Commercials and asserts those guns with four digit numbers and a suffix are 1920 guns. His book is older than Kenyon's and so Keynon's knowledge, being more recent, might be better ...

except

Jan Still, in Weimar Lugers, pp 28 to 30, (as Bill mentions) has more to say on these alphabet DWMs which is what I think this is. I think this gun (cal .30 Luger) is a commercial gun made in about 1922 or 1923 (the suffix is "k") for sale in the US. I think it may have been sold to Stoeger before Stoeger started having the guns stamped. Of course it could have been sold to some other American distributor as well; no way for me to know if it was sold to Stoeger or not; that is just conjecture based on some reading.

I think all these Luger books are great; I have the most faith in Jan Still's work; perhaps because it is the newest and the most detailed about German Parabellums.

I was wondering if the members think there would be any extra value to a 1920s commercial which is an alphabet model with an Eagle and safe and loaded. By the way, the finish is all original (the halo sort of guarantees that) and excellent except for a blemish on the barrel as though some ham fisted owner had held the barrel with a pair of pliers whilst hammering on the front sight to move it. (Oh the things people did!)

Anyway; that's all I know about this gun; hoping to get some idea of what forum members might think and what value might be.

03-12-2002, 02:41 AM	#7
David Jackson User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Magalia, California Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 'Alphabet DWM Eagle' Thanks for all the input and good information fellow forum users! Here is what I have found; on page 202 Kenyon shows and discusses a 1923 Commercial, Safe & Loaded. He mentions some having an eagle over the chamber. That all matches this gun except for the serial number range. In answer to Ron Wood's question; yes all the numbers match. Cal .30 Luger. Definitely has an Eagle and definitely is not from parts assembled after the fact. In response the Bill; this is closer to a Mauser assembled DWM eagle than anything else except the suffix (k) is too early. Marvin; I don't think I can get this one for $1,000; of course that doesn't mean it is worth more than that; just means the person who has it thinks it is! David J. Harry Jones mentions 1920 and 1923 Commercials and asserts those guns with four digit numbers and a suffix are 1920 guns. His book is older than Kenyon's and so Keynon's knowledge, being more recent, might be better ... except Jan Still, in Weimar Lugers, pp 28 to 30, (as Bill mentions) has more to say on these alphabet DWMs which is what I think this is. I think this gun (cal .30 Luger) is a commercial gun made in about 1922 or 1923 (the suffix is "k") for sale in the US. I think it may have been sold to Stoeger before Stoeger started having the guns stamped. Of course it could have been sold to some other American distributor as well; no way for me to know if it was sold to Stoeger or not; that is just conjecture based on some reading. I think all these Luger books are great; I have the most faith in Jan Still's work; perhaps because it is the newest and the most detailed about German Parabellums. I was wondering if the members think there would be any extra value to a 1920s commercial which is an alphabet model with an Eagle and safe and loaded. By the way, the finish is all original (the halo sort of guarantees that) and excellent except for a blemish on the barrel as though some ham fisted owner had held the barrel with a pair of pliers whilst hammering on the front sight to move it. (Oh the things people did!) Anyway; that's all I know about this gun; hoping to get some idea of what forum members might think and what value might be.