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Ron Wood · 02-23-2002, 06:01 PM

Respect your point of view. I, on the other hand, believe that the 1914 Commercial serials go much closer to 75000. One aspect that supports this is the horizontal C/N. If it were a 20, the C/N would be vertical. Note also the â??longâ? or unrelieved sear bar that does not follow the 1916 patent pattern (relieved to allow the action to be cycled with the safety on) that is invariably found on the 1920 Commercials. Even the Basil Police Lugers (still retaining the horizontal C/N) that were delivered in 1921 have the relieved sear bar. The observed Basil pieces have serial numbers starting near mid 75000. The piece in question has a serial of 73650, well below that range. Lastly, consider the caliber, 9mm. The Reichskomissarâ??s executive order of 4 September 1920, listed military weapons prohibited for civilian (commercial) use. This prohibition included barrels longer than 100mm and in 9mm caliber. This in effect resulted in 1920 commercial Lugers being produced with 3 5/8" barrels and in 7.65mm. This doesnâ??t mean that someone didnâ??t cheat and produce some 9mm. None the less, I stick by my opinion that this is a 1914 Commercial. Isnâ??t controversy great!

02-23-2002, 06:01 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	Re: Kyrie - One of them ain't a 23 Respect your point of view. I, on the other hand, believe that the 1914 Commercial serials go much closer to 75000. One aspect that supports this is the horizontal C/N. If it were a 20, the C/N would be vertical. Note also the â??longâ? or unrelieved sear bar that does not follow the 1916 patent pattern (relieved to allow the action to be cycled with the safety on) that is invariably found on the 1920 Commercials. Even the Basil Police Lugers (still retaining the horizontal C/N) that were delivered in 1921 have the relieved sear bar. The observed Basil pieces have serial numbers starting near mid 75000. The piece in question has a serial of 73650, well below that range. Lastly, consider the caliber, 9mm. The Reichskomissarâ??s executive order of 4 September 1920, listed military weapons prohibited for civilian (commercial) use. This prohibition included barrels longer than 100mm and in 9mm caliber. This in effect resulted in 1920 commercial Lugers being produced with 3 5/8" barrels and in 7.65mm. This doesnâ??t mean that someone didnâ??t cheat and produce some 9mm. None the less, I stick by my opinion that this is a 1914 Commercial. Isnâ??t controversy great!