Hi romer12, I'm in total agreement with Rons indorsment of Gerben, he is an outstanding member of our little family here... as for the mags, another reason they are not good shooter candidates is in a very short time, the plastic bottoms will fracture and all the insides, will be outsides!!

... Up-graded MEC-GAR mags are better in almost every respect.... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT