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Vlim · 09-05-2010, 07:50 AM

For our non-German speakers, here is a translation of Klaus' post:
(note that it is not a word-by-word translation)

Since the deer season is finished, there is some time to share some thoughts about the lanyards again.

I don't want to compare myself with experts like Görtz, Kornmayer and Reckendorf, so I will only share the few comments on German lanyards that have been found in German archives. Before I do this, my view on the opinions already given here. I don't feel a need to prove what I know. Whether the lanyards with the carbine hook are of a lesser quality because of their ability to rust is something that anyone may consider for himself. Your thoughts that the Portuguese lanyards were produced with leather attachments in order to prevent scratching the lanyard loop on collector pistols is worth considering, but I doubt that this factor was very important, also looking back at the opinions of the experts mentioned earlier. Every collector has to form his own opinion in this case. I will repeat here what Joachim Görtz said in his book 'Die Pistole 08' on page 106/107: "The holster and lanyard are of Portuguese manufacture".

It is a pity that some wrongfully published information starts living its own life during the years: Ritzmann grips on Krieghoffs instead of Römmler, or S.D. interpreted as Sicherheitsdienst instead of 'Schutzpolize Düsseldorf", etc…

Back to the very limited archive material about the lanyards:
The Commander of the Army orders the use of the lanyard for horse mounted troops with P08 pistols in the general army publications of the 22nd of November, 1935. Besides the reason and methods of use this order specifically mentions that the CARBINE HOOK is to be left attached to the pistol at all times in order to prevent the loss of the lanyard.

With another order of the 7th of May, 1940 the P38 as well as a lanyard for that pistol is introduced and described. Here again the CARBINE HOOK is replaced by a loop which, compared with the CARBINE HOOK, provides better protection against losing the pistol.

This is as clear as I can make it. Everything else would be twisting the truth.

I hope this has helped to answer some questions about the use of the lanyard loop.

09-05-2010, 07:50 AM	#33
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	For our non-German speakers, here is a translation of Klaus' post: (note that it is not a word-by-word translation) Since the deer season is finished, there is some time to share some thoughts about the lanyards again. I don't want to compare myself with experts like Görtz, Kornmayer and Reckendorf, so I will only share the few comments on German lanyards that have been found in German archives. Before I do this, my view on the opinions already given here. I don't feel a need to prove what I know. Whether the lanyards with the carbine hook are of a lesser quality because of their ability to rust is something that anyone may consider for himself. Your thoughts that the Portuguese lanyards were produced with leather attachments in order to prevent scratching the lanyard loop on collector pistols is worth considering, but I doubt that this factor was very important, also looking back at the opinions of the experts mentioned earlier. Every collector has to form his own opinion in this case. I will repeat here what Joachim Görtz said in his book 'Die Pistole 08' on page 106/107: "The holster and lanyard are of Portuguese manufacture". It is a pity that some wrongfully published information starts living its own life during the years: Ritzmann grips on Krieghoffs instead of Römmler, or S.D. interpreted as Sicherheitsdienst instead of 'Schutzpolize Düsseldorf", etc… Back to the very limited archive material about the lanyards: The Commander of the Army orders the use of the lanyard for horse mounted troops with P08 pistols in the general army publications of the 22nd of November, 1935. Besides the reason and methods of use this order specifically mentions that the CARBINE HOOK is to be left attached to the pistol at all times in order to prevent the loss of the lanyard. With another order of the 7th of May, 1940 the P38 as well as a lanyard for that pistol is introduced and described. Here again the CARBINE HOOK is replaced by a loop which, compared with the CARBINE HOOK, provides better protection against losing the pistol. This is as clear as I can make it. Everything else would be twisting the truth. I hope this has helped to answer some questions about the use of the lanyard loop.