Originally Posted by Mauser George
"You asked me to provide evidence of 1,400 fps for a 124 gr ammo. Yet you then state to believe you, none such evidence exist! If you happen to own any reading material regarding Lugers, may I suggest that you do some research in this regard. You just may find what I said to be true as it is discussed in detail and is in black & white. "
As you couldn't or wouldn't site your source for the 1,400 fps 124 gr German ammo, let me site my sources for the 1,076 fps 123 grain German ammo (which is specifically identified as Luger ammo) by the original manufactures and distributors themselves.
1) From "Die Pistole 08", Joachim Goertz, page 200, Muendungsgeschwindigkeit 327 m/sec. bei 100mm Lauflaenge.
2) From "Die Selbstlade Pistole Parabellum-Original Mauser", Mauser owners' manual of the late 1930s. Technische Merkmale, Geschossgeschwindigkeit 322 m/sec. (100mm Lauflaenge).
3) From "Die Selbstlade-Pistole Parabellum" DWM's pre WWI commercial owners' Manual, Anfangsgeschwindigkeit des Geschosses 310m/sec. bei 100mm Lauflaenge.
4) From "German Infantry Weapons", Donald McLean, 1966,
page 5, muzzle velocity 1,040 fps.
5) From "Pacific Arms Corporation", 1922, page 8, velocity at muzzle, 1,039 fps.
6) From "A. F. Stoeger, Inc., Catalog No 18", page 136, velocity at muzzle, 1,040 fps.
The hottest of the metric loads 327 m/sec is the 1,076 fps load I quote herein.
I've been studying the original Parabellum specs. for years and from various sources, both from the original manufactures and original distributors sources.
"When I mentioned the specs on the Winchester USA Ammo in my posting, there is no propably(SP?) as you stated in your response. My information is from Winchester printed material as well was their internet site!
Great!
I would like to respectfully ask you where you ever came up with the information to make the following two statements?
"1) Lugers are not designed to shoot hot ammo."
Please see my discussion of the original manufacturers and distributors specs. above.
"2) They usually will jam on the stuff. How so?"
I've been shooting Lugers for some 40 years and loading for them for some 30 years. If you load with medium burning rate powders (SR 4756 is excellent) at a velocity somewhat near the ones sited above, the pistols work beautifully and do not jam. Load them much hotter, and the springs get out of timing and the pistols will jam.
Regards,
George
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