[Sieger]

Originally Posted by jonnyc

"2. The final outcome of the discussion on how the Artillery blew up was that the "gunsmith" had used improper tools and heat treating, not an ammo issue at all."

Really, there seems to be quite a lot of discussion regarding ammo and one little post regarding this "theory". Sorry! The original poster says that he had been using Winchester White Box sucessfully, but that on the second clip of the Chinese stuff, the fork cracked in three places. Let's be realistic here!


"3. The only poster who had anything to say about the "red hot +P++" ammo was...hmmm...Sieger.
Now you have described this ammo as "+P at least, +P+, and +P++". I'm not even sure what +P++ is, but I don't think there's a SAAMI rating for that."

I commented in the post, but surely wasn't the only one posting on the hot ammo issue. Please read the discussion again.

+P++ means stuff that will distroy a pistol, like the unidentified TZZ stuff that cracked the frame on my Dad's byf 43 P-38, or the Chinese stuff that broke the poster's fork in three places!!

+P+ means NATO standard ammo, 121 grains at 1260!

+P something less than that, but hotter than the original Luger ammo of 123 grains at 1076!

"I will refrain from discussing this here anymore until I have chrono'd my 124 grain Norinco, the exact same stuff pictured above."

I'll be in Florida next month and will test the blue and red box Norinco myself, but surely not through my Lugers.

" I would suggest doing the same to avoid digging the hole any deeper."

I agree, rather than definding something you are not sure about, let's get some facts!!!

Sieger