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PhilOhio · 06-21-2009, 12:38 PM

Remember, whether or not a specific firearm or whole series is accepted as C&R does not necessarily have a thing to do with age. With items newer than 50 years old, or items which might even be in violation of some section within the rules, they can quite easily be made acceptable as C&R, just by requesting it.

The primary consideration is whether a major part of its worth lies in rarity and thus collector interest. It could have been made last month, by a company which subsequently decided they couldn't afford to build any more.

You write to ATF, make your case for collector interest and very limited availability...after reading their on-site explanation as to how this works...and you wait.

Read their C&R lists sometime. All are accessible on the ATF website. Many, many firearms have been declared C&R by serial number; they often rule on one guy's request for one firearm he owns. Hundreds of ordinary guys, like all of you and me, have done this. It cannot be that difficult. And you see many of these which were declared C&R years ago, and the passage of time has made them C&R anyway. And you wonder why they are listed at all. That's why. It was easy. The lists are simply not updated to eliminate previous approvals.

They appear to be especially flexible on shoulder stock issues. The entire Broomhandle series is exempt. They couldn't care less. ...and the Inglis and Browning Hi-Power...and others.

So if somebody finds a rare and interesting Luger stock, and you'd like its attachment onto a Luger to be legal, all you have to do is identify what in the world it is and where it came from, and decide if you want it to be legal on a whole series or on one serial number Luger; I suspect you would have better luck with the latter, one specific gun. But who knows? This is not an issue where there is a major public interest in being hard nosed; it's a few nice, middle aged guys collecting old guns which are not used by Hispanic gangs doing drive by shootings. I hope.

None of this has a thing to do with short barrels or shoulder stock rules or what you heard at a gun show. It's about rareity and novelty. Ask and it shall be given unto you, hopefully.

06-21-2009, 12:38 PM	#17
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Remember, whether or not a specific firearm or whole series is accepted as C&R does not necessarily have a thing to do with age. With items newer than 50 years old, or items which might even be in violation of some section within the rules, they can quite easily be made acceptable as C&R, just by requesting it. The primary consideration is whether a major part of its worth lies in rarity and thus collector interest. It could have been made last month, by a company which subsequently decided they couldn't afford to build any more. You write to ATF, make your case for collector interest and very limited availability...after reading their on-site explanation as to how this works...and you wait. Read their C&R lists sometime. All are accessible on the ATF website. Many, many firearms have been declared C&R by serial number; they often rule on one guy's request for one firearm he owns. Hundreds of ordinary guys, like all of you and me, have done this. It cannot be that difficult. And you see many of these which were declared C&R years ago, and the passage of time has made them C&R anyway. And you wonder why they are listed at all. That's why. It was easy. The lists are simply not updated to eliminate previous approvals. They appear to be especially flexible on shoulder stock issues. The entire Broomhandle series is exempt. They couldn't care less. ...and the Inglis and Browning Hi-Power...and others. So if somebody finds a rare and interesting Luger stock, and you'd like its attachment onto a Luger to be legal, all you have to do is identify what in the world it is and where it came from, and decide if you want it to be legal on a whole series or on one serial number Luger; I suspect you would have better luck with the latter, one specific gun. But who knows? This is not an issue where there is a major public interest in being hard nosed; it's a few nice, middle aged guys collecting old guns which are not used by Hispanic gangs doing drive by shootings. I hope. None of this has a thing to do with short barrels or shoulder stock rules or what you heard at a gun show. It's about rareity and novelty. Ask and it shall be given unto you, hopefully.