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Tobruk42 · 09-05-2008, 12:27 AM

Hmm...I'm amazed at how completely off the mark some of you are about what I said. First of all I am ABSOLUTELY as conservative as you are ...if not more so. In addition I am by heritage, sentiment, and political orientation 1000% US military. In fact we have a photo here of JM's grandfather pinning the Air Medal on my father (USS ESSEX 1945) after the Okinawa campaign. But the current McCain is Nothing like his forebearers. Recall that I started my post by saying that I have followed his career from nearly day one. So I am not just slinging mud for the sake of tossing a few grenades at John McCain ok? I am as far to the right of Liberal ,Communist or Socialist as day is removed from night. So save your grenades for someone else. I know a turkey when I see one and this guy is it in spades. What seems clear to me is that most of you have not bothered to take one small step toward looking into McCains background. Here is a good place to start ...and to start thinking: Can any of you hot heads tell me what the so called McCain Bill of the 1990's was all about? Have you ever even heard of it? Do you know anything at all about the struggle of the families of the MIA/POWS from Vietnam? The fight they have waged to establish the fate of their veterans unaccounted for over there all these years? I doubt it. If you do know any of them ask them how they feel about the McCain Bill. A bill passed to seal forever John McCain's POW records and (unbelieveably) the records of all other MIAs and POWs from that conflict. Just ask them how they feel about that knife in the back compliments of Sen McCain which has effectively killed any means of them getting any kind of resolution as to the fate of their loved ones. I dare you to dig into it before you ever dare open your mouth to me about McCain and veterans. No one single member of Congress has ever done anything so low. And then start to think....why did he do it? Why was sealing the records necessary? Forever? Begin to take it up with this guy (http://mjwilsonblog.blogspot.com/200...ow-record.html) which is just one example. Then go find out why his nickname was Songbird. Then tell me why he greeted his former jailer with a big hug last year when they met. Is that how the world works? The former torture victim and former jail boss are big buds? That simply suspends all reason. My 3rd cousin Sgt. F. Brincefield was forced to surrender on Bataan, survived the Death March, the hell ship passage , and then the entire rest of the war in Hoten Prison under the worst of the Japanese. Believe me he would damn well never hug any of his former jailers. People who have been through genuine hell like that don't kiss and make up. Contact former Congressman Bob Dornan about JM. That should be an eye opener as well. Then begin to look into how McCain callously dumped his first wife after she was nearly killed in a car wreck and need real long term care. It is dispicable to even read about it ....but go do it before you fire another shot.
But....lets suppose I am completely wrong about his early career. What more do you need to think about as true patriots than just the last five or so? Do you know what the McCain Fiengold bill did to you? Do you know about the McCain Liberman bill? Werte you one of the many thousands last year who rose up to fight the McCain Kennedy amisty bill? I 'm willing to bet you didn't lift a finger help save this republic during that battle. I poured hours into that battle and I'm glad I did. I doubt any of you did anything besides bitch. So don't presume to tell me much of anything about McCain. I 've done the homework.
Ed Tinker: I'll say this with regard to your call for an apology. I'm not offering one. What John McCain did against the Vietnam Veterns MIAS/POWS is beyond the pale. It was the act of a self serving scum who has cut off forever their best chance. It was a deliberate act designed to hide the truth of his own record. Nothing I can do if you don't want to find out about it. I stand by my opinion of him and the facts bear me out. He even admits he made propaganda tapes for North Vietnam in a US News & World Report (5-14-1973). No war hero in my book....ever.

09-05-2008, 12:27 AM	#64
Tobruk42 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmm...I'm amazed at how completely off the mark some of you are about what I said. First of all I am ABSOLUTELY as conservative as you are ...if not more so. In addition I am by heritage, sentiment, and political orientation 1000% US military. In fact we have a photo here of JM's grandfather pinning the Air Medal on my father (USS ESSEX 1945) after the Okinawa campaign. But the current McCain is Nothing like his forebearers. Recall that I started my post by saying that I have followed his career from nearly day one. So I am not just slinging mud for the sake of tossing a few grenades at John McCain ok? I am as far to the right of Liberal ,Communist or Socialist as day is removed from night. So save your grenades for someone else. I know a turkey when I see one and this guy is it in spades. What seems clear to me is that most of you have not bothered to take one small step toward looking into McCains background. Here is a good place to start ...and to start thinking: Can any of you hot heads tell me what the so called McCain Bill of the 1990's was all about? Have you ever even heard of it? Do you know anything at all about the struggle of the families of the MIA/POWS from Vietnam? The fight they have waged to establish the fate of their veterans unaccounted for over there all these years? I doubt it. If you do know any of them ask them how they feel about the McCain Bill. A bill passed to seal forever John McCain's POW records and (unbelieveably) the records of all other MIAs and POWs from that conflict. Just ask them how they feel about that knife in the back compliments of Sen McCain which has effectively killed any means of them getting any kind of resolution as to the fate of their loved ones. I dare you to dig into it before you ever dare open your mouth to me about McCain and veterans. No one single member of Congress has ever done anything so low. And then start to think....why did he do it? Why was sealing the records necessary? Forever? Begin to take it up with this guy (http://mjwilsonblog.blogspot.com/200...ow-record.html) which is just one example. Then go find out why his nickname was Songbird. Then tell me why he greeted his former jailer with a big hug last year when they met. Is that how the world works? The former torture victim and former jail boss are big buds? That simply suspends all reason. My 3rd cousin Sgt. F. Brincefield was forced to surrender on Bataan, survived the Death March, the hell ship passage , and then the entire rest of the war in Hoten Prison under the worst of the Japanese. Believe me he would damn well never hug any of his former jailers. People who have been through genuine hell like that don't kiss and make up. Contact former Congressman Bob Dornan about JM. That should be an eye opener as well. Then begin to look into how McCain callously dumped his first wife after she was nearly killed in a car wreck and need real long term care. It is dispicable to even read about it ....but go do it before you fire another shot. But....lets suppose I am completely wrong about his early career. What more do you need to think about as true patriots than just the last five or so? Do you know what the McCain Fiengold bill did to you? Do you know about the McCain Liberman bill? Werte you one of the many thousands last year who rose up to fight the McCain Kennedy amisty bill? I 'm willing to bet you didn't lift a finger help save this republic during that battle. I poured hours into that battle and I'm glad I did. I doubt any of you did anything besides bitch. So don't presume to tell me much of anything about McCain. I 've done the homework. Ed Tinker: I'll say this with regard to your call for an apology. I'm not offering one. What John McCain did against the Vietnam Veterns MIAS/POWS is beyond the pale. It was the act of a self serving scum who has cut off forever their best chance. It was a deliberate act designed to hide the truth of his own record. Nothing I can do if you don't want to find out about it. I stand by my opinion of him and the facts bear me out. He even admits he made propaganda tapes for North Vietnam in a US News & World Report (5-14-1973). No war hero in my book....ever.