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raygun · 03-14-2008, 01:33 AM

Thanks for the welcome and interest shown "tac" .

yes I gather the only handguns you can shoot in the UK are air pistols and black powder ? But I thought you may have been able to "collect" live historical pistols ? I know you can have deactivated examples without a license .

Yes the paperwork here is horendous but it is managable as long as your determined . My dutch luger is just up the road at the local gun dealers , but I have visiting rights -- at least once a week , untill the final papers come through .

I thought only Australians used the term "drongo" ! Not even too well known here anymore . I am from north queensland and my father who was a timber getter and cane cutter used it frequently . I doubt if our American cousins know it at all . Like much of our slang we probably inherited it from our London slum ancestors !

Back to the dutch luger , it has a very low serial number 1428 . According to the chart of luger deliveries to the dutch on page 245 of Martens & de vries "the dutch luger" -- from now on abbreviated to "TDL" there are only two possibilities , 1912 with numbers 1 to 2141 or 1930 with numbers 1085 to 1484 .

The pistol has two numbers stamped on the barrel , one matches the serial and the other looks a lot like 1930 . Apparently the dutch changed barrels in tropical indonesia every 6 to 7 years and always stamped the year it was newly fitted on the barrel , but I wouldn't have thought they would have re stamped the serial number as well -- maybe .

Why its confusing is that according to "TDL" that batch of guns 1085 to 1484 were issued to the dutch navy and were of the P08 pattern without the grip safety . My gun has the grip safety of the earlier 1906 pattern !?

So there you have it , a work in progress .

By the way I would highly recomend "The Dutch Luger" to any serious luger collector , it is a superb book with beautifull illustrations , charts , old photos and engineers drawings and contains much more than just info about the dutch contract lugers . Its a bargain at arround 50 dollars .

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._003_copy1.jpg

all my best .

03-14-2008, 01:33 AM	#2
raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for the welcome and interest shown "tac" . yes I gather the only handguns you can shoot in the UK are air pistols and black powder ? But I thought you may have been able to "collect" live historical pistols ? I know you can have deactivated examples without a license . Yes the paperwork here is horendous but it is managable as long as your determined . My dutch luger is just up the road at the local gun dealers , but I have visiting rights -- at least once a week , untill the final papers come through . I thought only Australians used the term "drongo" ! Not even too well known here anymore . I am from north queensland and my father who was a timber getter and cane cutter used it frequently . I doubt if our American cousins know it at all . Like much of our slang we probably inherited it from our London slum ancestors ! Back to the dutch luger , it has a very low serial number 1428 . According to the chart of luger deliveries to the dutch on page 245 of Martens & de vries "the dutch luger" -- from now on abbreviated to "TDL" there are only two possibilities , 1912 with numbers 1 to 2141 or 1930 with numbers 1085 to 1484 . The pistol has two numbers stamped on the barrel , one matches the serial and the other looks a lot like 1930 . Apparently the dutch changed barrels in tropical indonesia every 6 to 7 years and always stamped the year it was newly fitted on the barrel , but I wouldn't have thought they would have re stamped the serial number as well -- maybe . Why its confusing is that according to "TDL" that batch of guns 1085 to 1484 were issued to the dutch navy and were of the P08 pattern without the grip safety . My gun has the grip safety of the earlier 1906 pattern !? So there you have it , a work in progress . By the way I would highly recomend "The Dutch Luger" to any serious luger collector , it is a superb book with beautifull illustrations , charts , old photos and engineers drawings and contains much more than just info about the dutch contract lugers . Its a bargain at arround 50 dollars . http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._003_copy1.jpg all my best .