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Ron Wood · 01-17-2008, 08:28 AM

Mike,
My $1350 car was a Volkswagen! Yes, I knew a 9mm Carbine was unusual but I really didn't have a full appreciation of how scarce it was.

Tom,
The 1913 DWM cartridge catalog lists 471A as "Parabellum Karabiner Kal. 7,65mm (geschwÃ?Â¤rzte HÃ?Â¼lse)". Cartridge 480D is listed as "Parabellum Karabiner Kal. 9mm" with no mention of a blackened case, but it does have the note "Karabiner ist nicht in den Handel gebracht" or "Carbine is not brought into the trade" indicating that it was not a marketed item. I am guessing that a few were made but not for normal sales. If you found a full box of 471A in nice condition for only $500 you got a real bargain!

01-17-2008, 08:28 AM	#22
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Mike, My $1350 car was a Volkswagen! Yes, I knew a 9mm Carbine was unusual but I really didn't have a full appreciation of how scarce it was. Tom, The 1913 DWM cartridge catalog lists 471A as "Parabellum Karabiner Kal. 7,65mm (geschwÃ?Â¤rzte HÃ?Â¼lse)". Cartridge 480D is listed as "Parabellum Karabiner Kal. 9mm" with no mention of a blackened case, but it does have the note "Karabiner ist nicht in den Handel gebracht" or "Carbine is not brought into the trade" indicating that it was not a marketed item. I am guessing that a few were made but not for normal sales. If you found a full box of 471A in nice condition for only $500 you got a real bargain! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction