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Marvin · 10-02-2001, 07:49 AM

Bill & 66Mustang,

I am still trying to get more information on the pistol. I did find out that there is no documentation available from the Veteran the pistol was purchased from (I bought from a dealer friend of mine and he did check).

I know little to nothing about Kreighoffs, and John D. has been very kind to help with the information I have so far. As to a serial number, the only number (other than the Mauser replacement code numbers) is 15xx which is located on the left receiver in the normal location. Also, there is a Crown/N to the front and under this number. I assumed this number was stamped when the receiver was made. The receiver is either an Erfurt or DWM with no date stamp. As I stated in my first post, the inspection stamps are present on the right side of the receiver, but no proof stamp was ever stamped from the Imperial Era. The proof is the Early/Mid war used Kreighoff Eagle with "L" in a circle and the "2" under the Eagle.

On the frame, there are no numbers except the internal varying Mauser inspection stamps. I agree that the last Kreighoffs made did have serial numbers in the "0" range, and these were the ones sold in the PX stores for soldiers to purchase.

As to the mix of parts, all appear to be Mauser except the receiver (has the cut on front for the artillery sight). The toggle train is in the white and the surface of the metal is "ripply"; as if it was a forged part and not a machined part, and was never polished, but was stamped with the large "42" replacement code.

The only reason I have to assume it is a Kreighoff is the presence of the Kreighoff proof/Luftwaffe Acceptance stamp. IF this stamp was not there, I would assume it was a "Waffenfabrik USA" pistol. The Kreighoff stamp is real and not a fake unless a real stamp had been used in the post war era.

I agree again with you Bill that this needs more research to make a final determination. I am speculating that the mix of parts was just reject parts on hand in the bins that would fit and work. As to the 200+ pistols assembled, this is a little known number that most collectors are not aware of. I cannot say that this came from Gibson's book, as I don't have a copy, but I sure would like someone to help me do a little research in Gibson's book on these Lugers. I am "down and out" with no reference material with me here in the "Swamp".

All in all, I would be totally lost with this pistol if not for the kind help of John D. If anyone else knows anything about Kreighoffs, I would certainly appreciate any information, even speculation. It is a neat pistol, but sure is UGLY with the bad finish on the parts (except the barrel). The finish on the frame really has me puzzled. It appears to have a blue finish, and then some type "thick" black finish applied which is now flaking in areas. It definetly is not a paint, and appears to have been used/tested, or whatever, and has been there a LONG time. I am at a lose on this finish!

Thanks for the comments, and HELP me.

Marvin

10-02-2001, 07:49 AM	#4
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Latest Addition Bill & 66Mustang, I am still trying to get more information on the pistol. I did find out that there is no documentation available from the Veteran the pistol was purchased from (I bought from a dealer friend of mine and he did check). I know little to nothing about Kreighoffs, and John D. has been very kind to help with the information I have so far. As to a serial number, the only number (other than the Mauser replacement code numbers) is 15xx which is located on the left receiver in the normal location. Also, there is a Crown/N to the front and under this number. I assumed this number was stamped when the receiver was made. The receiver is either an Erfurt or DWM with no date stamp. As I stated in my first post, the inspection stamps are present on the right side of the receiver, but no proof stamp was ever stamped from the Imperial Era. The proof is the Early/Mid war used Kreighoff Eagle with "L" in a circle and the "2" under the Eagle. On the frame, there are no numbers except the internal varying Mauser inspection stamps. I agree that the last Kreighoffs made did have serial numbers in the "0" range, and these were the ones sold in the PX stores for soldiers to purchase. As to the mix of parts, all appear to be Mauser except the receiver (has the cut on front for the artillery sight). The toggle train is in the white and the surface of the metal is "ripply"; as if it was a forged part and not a machined part, and was never polished, but was stamped with the large "42" replacement code. The only reason I have to assume it is a Kreighoff is the presence of the Kreighoff proof/Luftwaffe Acceptance stamp. IF this stamp was not there, I would assume it was a "Waffenfabrik USA" pistol. The Kreighoff stamp is real and not a fake unless a real stamp had been used in the post war era. I agree again with you Bill that this needs more research to make a final determination. I am speculating that the mix of parts was just reject parts on hand in the bins that would fit and work. As to the 200+ pistols assembled, this is a little known number that most collectors are not aware of. I cannot say that this came from Gibson's book, as I don't have a copy, but I sure would like someone to help me do a little research in Gibson's book on these Lugers. I am "down and out" with no reference material with me here in the "Swamp". All in all, I would be totally lost with this pistol if not for the kind help of John D. If anyone else knows anything about Kreighoffs, I would certainly appreciate any information, even speculation. It is a neat pistol, but sure is UGLY with the bad finish on the parts (except the barrel). The finish on the frame really has me puzzled. It appears to have a blue finish, and then some type "thick" black finish applied which is now flaking in areas. It definetly is not a paint, and appears to have been used/tested, or whatever, and has been there a LONG time. I am at a lose on this finish! Thanks for the comments, and HELP me. Marvin