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bill m · 09-16-2001, 12:14 PM

Hi Ted,

I would like to add to the information that you provided. The "sneak" Lugers are usually found in the T and U blocks, with very few in the Q, R, and S blocks.

The barrel bands are a mixed lot with no exact, for sure characteristics. A lot of the Q. R, and S blocks have been reworked and have a new barrel added. For instance the TP proofed barrels and they have a round barrel band. Also, the later "sneaks" in the U block have rounded barrel bands.

The rear connecting pin, holdopen, and firing pin are seldom ever numbered on these. There are a few exceptions, depending on how much the gun was reworked, but usually these are blank.

There are numberous variations of the "sneak" which all have somewhat different characteristics. Blank toggle with commercial serial number placement, Blank toggle with military serial number placement, DWM with commercial serial numbers placement, DWM with military serial number placement, and Lugers with only commercial proofs, and Lugers with both commercial and military proofs. I have never seen a Q, R or S block "sneak" with military proofs.

The "sneak" Luger is a very interesting variation and has may different variations amoung itself. They are hard to find and if in good condition do have collector value. They are not a common everyday run of the mill variation. A very intersting model that in my opinion has been overlooked by collectors and has a world of history and research to be done on them. To actually make a judement on this gun, one needs the serial number, serial number placement, all proof marks, and whether it has a sear safety or magazine safety. If in excellent condition, the price does not sound out of line in my opinion.

09-16-2001, 12:14 PM	#9
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: DWM Luger Hi Ted, I would like to add to the information that you provided. The "sneak" Lugers are usually found in the T and U blocks, with very few in the Q, R, and S blocks. The barrel bands are a mixed lot with no exact, for sure characteristics. A lot of the Q. R, and S blocks have been reworked and have a new barrel added. For instance the TP proofed barrels and they have a round barrel band. Also, the later "sneaks" in the U block have rounded barrel bands. The rear connecting pin, holdopen, and firing pin are seldom ever numbered on these. There are a few exceptions, depending on how much the gun was reworked, but usually these are blank. There are numberous variations of the "sneak" which all have somewhat different characteristics. Blank toggle with commercial serial number placement, Blank toggle with military serial number placement, DWM with commercial serial numbers placement, DWM with military serial number placement, and Lugers with only commercial proofs, and Lugers with both commercial and military proofs. I have never seen a Q, R or S block "sneak" with military proofs. The "sneak" Luger is a very interesting variation and has may different variations amoung itself. They are hard to find and if in good condition do have collector value. They are not a common everyday run of the mill variation. A very intersting model that in my opinion has been overlooked by collectors and has a world of history and research to be done on them. To actually make a judement on this gun, one needs the serial number, serial number placement, all proof marks, and whether it has a sear safety or magazine safety. If in excellent condition, the price does not sound out of line in my opinion.