Pappy, this is actually a quiet group, and both guys you commented on are great guys. You just hit a nerve, better to "let them make their comments" and not push more buttons. As they might take me out of their will (I am a young 46, (Bill, my weight is a secret, but less than Howards, but more than John d's

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Ed
PS: If you look at the age monitor above, it is actually very interesting. I didn't know there were so many "young" guys on the forum!