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Pete Ebbink · 10-05-2006, 01:29 PM

Thierry,

Thanks for the info and your photo of your Cross/Shield.

I inserted the photo into your posting, above. There was a photo-posting tutorial in one of the other sections on the LF. You might look for it.

BTW...your serial # 13866 is very exciting. Your gun is the 2nd. I have recorded with ONLY the " +/V " proof stamping on the left side of the receiver. The other one was serial # 13937, BUT it had a " +/M " on the right side of the receiver. Does yours ???

The sequence of inspection markings on the left side of the receiver from earliest to the most late in the Cross/Shield luger now sequences as :

1. " + " only

2. " + " and " +/V "

3. " +/V " only

4. " +/M " and " +/M "

(I am hoping some Cross/Shield lugers with " +/M " show up, but none have been reported so far. When the '24 Bern was first produced in 1918, the stamping started with " +/M "; so maybe some of the last Cross/Shields got this lone " +/M + stamping as well in late 1914...???)

There may be nothing significant about the changes in stamps used. Maybe the most simple explanation would be dies broke or were worn out and they used what they had until new stamps were ready.

But I am collecting serial numbers to hopefully track more specifically when the changes occured in this grouping of Cross/Shield of only 6, 164 lugers.

10-05-2006, 01:29 PM	#18
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thierry, Thanks for the info and your photo of your Cross/Shield. I inserted the photo into your posting, above. There was a photo-posting tutorial in one of the other sections on the LF. You might look for it. BTW...your serial # 13866 is very exciting. Your gun is the 2nd. I have recorded with ONLY the " +/V " proof stamping on the left side of the receiver. The other one was serial # 13937, BUT it had a " +/M " on the right side of the receiver. Does yours ??? The sequence of inspection markings on the left side of the receiver from earliest to the most late in the Cross/Shield luger now sequences as : 1. " + " only 2. " + " and " +/V " 3. " +/V " only 4. " +/M " and " +/M " (I am hoping some Cross/Shield lugers with " +/M " show up, but none have been reported so far. When the '24 Bern was first produced in 1918, the stamping started with " +/M "; so maybe some of the last Cross/Shields got this lone " +/M + stamping as well in late 1914...???) There may be nothing significant about the changes in stamps used. Maybe the most simple explanation would be dies broke or were worn out and they used what they had until new stamps were ready. But I am collecting serial numbers to hopefully track more specifically when the changes occured in this grouping of Cross/Shield of only 6, 164 lugers.