On several items I was interested in, I risked letting it run and close several times until the seller was willing to really deal, of course I have lost many items in doing this, but like waiting at the bus stop, another is bound to come by sooner that later....on the other hand I just bought two old boxes of German 9mm ammo at far more then I wanted to....Ed your buying theory is not going to work on my Simson tools and clips