some_finn
We are in complete agreement. When I said "With the powders that are currently being loaded" I was referring to commercial ammo, not handloads. Therefore I stand by my original position that the "US myth" is a product of what can be bought over the counter and has nothing to do with all the enlightened individuals that properly load their own 9mm ammo. The notion that the "US need" is "completely alien to Europeans" may be a bit of hyperbole as I imagine there is a tiny fraction of European shooters that buy their ammo rather than reload. For this miniscule population, hotter ammo probably makes their Lugers function better and therefore perpetuates the myth on your side of the puddle as well.