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Walt J. · 02-18-2001, 09:28 AM

Time for me to chime in for a short here since I've been working on trying to find an answer to these right side lazy N's all over the country for the last few months and pretty well getting laughed at by the "experts" I've tried to contact. I've had three basic responses. Primarily, none, or "doesn't exist" or in one case "You're aÃ?Â*fraud and this is a fake". Real encouraging. Was overjoyed to find Rick and a virtual twin to my 1917/1920. Shows, as Bill has insisted, that thereÃ?Â*hadÃ?Â*to be a specific reason for these markings to be applied if only on aÃ?Â*few guns. Did chat with Jan Still on this and mentioned theÃ?Â*possibility of it being a KreighoffÃ?Â*rework. Jan doesn't believe that to be the case but freely admits that he has no idea what the markings indicate. He also has a fully original DWM artillary which has a crown

RC on the toggle, so we know that DWM did use the marking, but only sparingly and in rare cases. Both Rick's barrel and mine are replacements from the originals, and assuming we are measuring these correctly from the front of the breech to the muzzle, are 3Ã?Â*7/8" and not 4". The receiver cut for the artillary sight although not used on the majority of DWM's was used on a fair amount, and both weapons show the TSS inspection stamp of DWM so we know that theyÃ?Â*areÃ?Â*not Erfurts.

In the caseÃ?Â*of my Luger, after receiving the nitro marks on barrel, toggle and breechblock, they were then almost buffed intoÃ?Â*oblivion, and yet the right side crown N's show only the slight buffing akinÃ?Â*toÃ?Â*all the other markings. Believe the same thing to be the caseÃ?Â*with Ricks, although IÃ?Â*stand toÃ?Â*beÃ?Â*corrected. Believe Bill's contention that whateverÃ?Â*happened toÃ?Â*these guns happened between the end of theÃ?Â*war and the restrictions laidÃ?Â*down by the Allied Control Commission in 1919 to be correct, with later takeover by the Weimar military explaining the attempted removal of theÃ?Â*applied commercial nitros and receipt of the 1920 marking. That's it, guys. I could rattle on about this for a few more paragraphs, but that's pretty well the crux of the thing.

Thanks for all the interest....Walt

02-18-2001, 09:28 AM	#16
Walt J. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Caney, Texas Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Horizontal Crown N's Time for me to chime in for a short here since I've been working on trying to find an answer to these right side lazy N's all over the country for the last few months and pretty well getting laughed at by the "experts" I've tried to contact. I've had three basic responses. Primarily, none, or "doesn't exist" or in one case "You're aÃ?Âfraud and this is a fake". Real encouraging. Was overjoyed to find Rick and a virtual twin to my 1917/1920. Shows, as Bill has insisted, that thereÃ?ÂhadÃ?Âto be a specific reason for these markings to be applied if only on aÃ?Âfew guns. Did chat with Jan Still on this and mentioned theÃ?Âpossibility of it being a KreighoffÃ?Ârework. Jan doesn't believe that to be the case but freely admits that he has no idea what the markings indicate. He also has a fully original DWM artillary which has a crown RC on the toggle, so we know that DWM did use the marking, but only sparingly and in rare cases. Both Rick's barrel and mine are replacements from the originals, and assuming we are measuring these correctly from the front of the breech to the muzzle, are 3Ã?Â7/8" and not 4". The receiver cut for the artillary sight although not used on the majority of DWM's was used on a fair amount, and both weapons show the TSS inspection stamp of DWM so we know that theyÃ?ÂareÃ?Ânot Erfurts. In the caseÃ?Âof my Luger, after receiving the nitro marks on barrel, toggle and breechblock, they were then almost buffed intoÃ?Âoblivion, and yet the right side crown N's show only the slight buffing akinÃ?ÂtoÃ?Âall the other markings. Believe the same thing to be the caseÃ?Âwith Ricks, although IÃ?Âstand toÃ?ÂbeÃ?Âcorrected. Believe Bill's contention that whateverÃ?Âhappened toÃ?Âthese guns happened between the end of theÃ?Âwar and the restrictions laidÃ?Âdown by the Allied Control Commission in 1919 to be correct, with later takeover by the Weimar military explaining the attempted removal of theÃ?Âapplied commercial nitros and receipt of the 1920 marking. That's it, guys. I could rattle on about this for a few more paragraphs, but that's pretty well the crux of the thing. Thanks for all the interest....Walt