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-   -   This is a photo of my Modele P.04 display. (https://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=8631)

John Holbrook 11-10-2004 11:52 AM

This is a photo of my Modele P.04 display.
 
One of my gun show displays is a rotating display of historic military weapons. This old sailor certainly falls into that category!

Nobody has more fun than ME!!!!!

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Ron Wood 11-10-2004 09:39 PM

That is a really nifty label to display with the Luger! A small point of clarification...although the Navy Luger is officially designated "Pistole Modele 1904 (P04)", that being the year it was adopted by the German Navy, actual 1904 Navy Lugers are quite rare and have significant mechanical differences from your Luger. Your Luger is a "1906 First Issue, Altered". It was manufactured around 1906 with the thumb safety "on" in the upper position with the lower position polished bright to indicate the safety was engaged. Rather than "in 1906 the thumb safety was modified..." your display should indicate that the piece was manufactured in 1906 and some time after 1906 it was modified to have the thumb safety to be "on" in the lower position and the "Gesichert" marking added. A slight distinction true, but for such a nice display it is worth having this small degree of increased accuracy. You have a very nice Luger.

John Holbrook 11-10-2004 10:58 PM

OK Ron, I think I have it figured out, I will modify the placard and repost tomorrow, thanks...

BTW, this is what the display looks like...

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George Anderson 11-11-2004 07:14 AM

Ron, I have always understood that the Imperial Navy designated all of their six inch Lugers as "Pistole 1904 or P04". Other designations such as "06 altered" are simply helpful terminology used by collectors.

Ron Wood 11-11-2004 07:47 AM

You are absolutely correct George. I indicated that the model was "officially" designated P04, and what I was really pointing out is that this Luger was not made in 1904 and altered in 1906, but rather it was manufactured in 1906 and altered at a later date. Sometimes I use too many words to make a simple statement.

John Holbrook 11-11-2004 01:04 PM

OK, here is my latest rendition of the P.04 placard..... Comments???????

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Ron Wood 11-11-2004 04:25 PM

Works for me...and to repeat myself, you have a very nice Luger.

karmast 11-13-2004 06:39 AM

A little correction by a German native speaking:

Please do not write "Modele", it is called "Modell" with a double "l".

And a very common mistake done by english-spoken people: It is not "Kreigsmarine", but "Kriegsmarine", the "i" before the "e".

But that old warhorse looks really wonderful to me, as the other pistols do! And I love the way of your presentation! Would be ver nice, if you could post more pix!!

John Holbrook 11-13-2004 11:28 AM

OKEY DOKEY, HOW'S THIS?????

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John Holbrook 11-13-2004 11:43 AM

If you want more photos, this is what I really do. I have been collecting early, historically important M1911/M1911A1 .45's for many years.

This display contains 6 Model Of 1911 U.S. Navys that were assigned to US Battleships. I am always searching for military .45's with provenance...

BTW, the lower Colt on the right off the USS Delaware, is serial number 810, it was in the FIRST shipment of 500 pistols from Colt to the US Navy in 1912..

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John Sabato 11-15-2004 09:52 AM

As always, an envious collection John... Certainly the 1911 from the U.S.S. Arizona must be a prize of your collection.

karmast 11-15-2004 02:08 PM

First of all: the sign is great now!!

And your other collection is wonderful, also to a non-Colt-collector!! The Colt has always been the better pistol in war (yes, shame on me, and those words on a Lugerforum, but thruth must be spoken..) and your collection is really great.
But I don`t get one single thing: what did you mean with "U.S. Navys that were assigned to US Battleships"? Do you know so very exactly, where this special piece has been? If so, it would be totally uncommon for a collector of german handguns. In our field here it is more often to NOT know, where our little princesses have been..
Had these Navy 1911 a special marking or do you know from the army archives and the serial nr.?

John Holbrook 11-15-2004 05:53 PM

Colt kept very good shipping records. Springfield Research also has many records from the National Archives. This example came from a private family which gives it excellent provenance..

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John Holbrook 11-15-2004 06:14 PM

Here is another example. Colt Navy serial number 810, BTW, this old Colt was in the first shipment of 500 pistols to the Navy in 1912..

Note the "DEL" marking on the frame. This was the unit marking for the USS Delaware. In 1937 this Colt was transferred to the US Coast Guard Station on Cape Cod, Mass.... (IT'S GOOD TO BE ON THE WINNING SIDE!)

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pipeman45 11-16-2004 03:23 AM

All I can say is WOW.There is a lot of history in that display.If only they could talk.

jamese 11-16-2004 04:52 PM

Somehow I don't think "WOW" cover the bases, its a bit of an understatment

Thats a great display of history, I hope I get to see the display in person.

thank you for sharing it with us

Jim

karmast 11-21-2004 11:43 AM

as I stated before: totally unknown to Luger collector to know exactly the nearer cirmcumstances of duty! Outstanding.

larry 12-04-2004 04:31 PM

What happened to the Navy guys? Christmas shopping for Navy Lugers?
larry

Navy 12-09-2004 07:52 PM

Sorry, just been *extremely* busy of late and have had precious little time to eat and sleep, much less "Luger"...have managed to cut some deals for new acquisitions, among them a terrific Weimar Navy rig N205, as shown in Jan's Weimar Book P78.

Have another one pending that will be the centerpiece of my collection...more about that as it gets closer to being reality.

Tom A.


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