Navy ID Help...
 

A LF member asked for my help in posting some photos of his Navy. Sorry the resolution and clarity of the photos is not the best, but this is all I could get to post.

This gun does have the large toggle pin flange...

The LF Member would appreciate any help with the ID of the unique marking and other opinions...

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_6.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_1.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_2.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_3.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_4.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/rm_navy_5.jpg

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

I just noticed something on the toggle assembly between this Navy and the one that was posted by Doubs. They both have the number 100 stamped on them yet one is dated 1916 and the other 1917. Am I missing something or was this a standard number that was stamped at this location? Do any of the members that have Navy's from the same time era have this same number stamped on the toggle assembly? Thanks.
Sid.

The 100 on the toggle means the sight is set for 100 meters. If you pull the sight back 200 will show, meaning the sight is set 200 meters.

The Navy depicted is one of a small lot that is virtually unknown to the average collector. It is a part of the contract for the short-lived secessionist Republic of Hawaii Navy. The marking is their crest, a pineapple. :D

And if you believe that, I know of some special Geschwader General Goering Luftwaffe pieces that were plated to keep moisture condensation at altitude from causing corrosion. <img border="0" alt="[blabla]" title="" src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" />

Tom A.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have not had the chance to check out a Navy before and that really had me wondering. I will blame it on it being Monday. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> Thanks again.
Sid.

Hello Tom A.,

I heard from the gun's owner that Bob Simspon recently saw this Navy in person and Bob speculated the "flaming bomb" stamping(s) might be Belgian...

Though, I thought the pineapple bit was funny...!

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Pete Ebbink:
<strong>Hello Tom A.,
I heard from the gun's owner that Bob Simspon recently saw this Navy in person and Bob speculated the "flaming bomb" stamping(s) might be Belgian... Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">That was my first thought also.... Belgian.

Doubs

Hello Walker,

Sam Costanzo shows some Belgian proofs in his WOL book on page 218. Might proof # 216D on page 218 be the stamp we are seeing on this Navy luger ?

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/belgianproof.jpg

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

All,

The problem with identifying this, IMHO, is that we are dealing with a "secondary" proof...these are markings that were applied to captured/requisitioned arms that were intended to be issued as substitutes for military standard issue. <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />

This is a field that is extremely esoteric and very little exists in secondary sources (books), as this kind of research is highly specialized and requires years of research in foreign language archives to accomplish. :(

Wish I had the resources to devote the rest of my time on earth to doing and documenting this; it is going to be a lifetime work for someone. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Tom A

Pete, that's the proof I had in mind. It appears on several Belgian guns I own.

Tom, if I win the lottery I think I'll do exactly what you suggest. (If my wife lets me, that is!) :)

Walker (Doubs)

Pete, As you said, it's very hard to see any detail of the proofs in your photos above. If the letter in the circle is an "L" with "flames" above, I agree that it's a Belgian Liege proof. If in fact, the letters inside the circle are "BV" or "BP" with crown above, it's probaby a British Birmingham proof house mark. If so, I would bet that some where on the Navy, your will also find in very small letters "not english made". Tom

I had that gun in hand at Tulsa, and my impression at the time was that the letter inside the circle was "L". I didn't see any British markings or "not English made", but I didn't spend a lot of time looking it over carefully. My inclination was Belgian, but I have never seen a Belgian proof that large on a handgun. Could it be a rifle or machinegun proof die used to mark this Luger?

This pistol seems to have stray marks all over it. What is the 24 ct on the reciever below the sear bar? This looks like a long sear bar. Is that appropriate for a 1918 Navy?

I gather you passed on this one Ron?

regards, heinz