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josephny 08-15-2004 10:59 AM

Yet another request for ID....
 
Yes, just inhereted 2 Lugers and have spent hours trying to decipher the volumes of info on this site. I suspect it will take much more time.

In the meantime, could someone help me ID exactly what I have?

I'll post pics of one of them to get started.

Thanks,

Joseph

Ron Smith 08-15-2004 11:19 AM

Joseph, Get the photos posted. You will be suprised at the avalanche of information you'll get.
Ron

Ron Smith 08-15-2004 11:19 AM

OOPS! Had a hiccup...

josephny 08-15-2004 11:28 AM

Oops from me -- here's the pics.

Thanks very much!

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...0666_copy1.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...0667_copy1.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...0668_copy1.jpg

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...0669_copy1.jpg

drbuster 08-15-2004 01:23 PM

Let me be the first to jump in. First, I see pictures of just one luger. Will photos of the second one be forthcoming? The pictured piece is a relatively common (135,700 made, according to Jan Still)Mauser WW2 military piece. Serial number range is said to be 7700z to 7000n. Navy versions are much rarer and have "O" or "N" stamped on the grip strap. Hope this helps as a starter.

josephny 08-15-2004 01:52 PM

Thanks very much for the assessment.

The other one will be up in several days.

The serial number, however, is below the botto limit of the range stated, if I understand the range.

Dwight Gruber 08-15-2004 02:41 PM

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by josephny:
<strong>The serial number, however, is below the bottom limit of the range stated, if I understand the range.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Josephny,

The accuracy of the "range" depends on the Luger under discussion. There are many Lugers produced under contract for foreign militaries, and very often they will have their own documented serial# ranges, or documentation of the regular serial range they came from.

Others, particularly (but not only) German WWI and WWII military Lugers, are much less well documented in regards to production numbers and serial# ranges, because the documentation is not available or destroyed. In these cases the number ranges are based on observed or reported guns.

The books with the really comprehensive statistics which are the published sources for most of our general knowledge on this subject, are between 10 and 35 years old. As the WWII Veterans who are the repositories of vast numbers of Lugers pass on and their guns become known in collecting circles for the first time, new data becomes available to augment the older published figures. In addition, the internet facilitates the rapid transmission of this data.

So, having a Luger which is "out of" some particular range is not necessarily a problem, it is instead adding to and refining the body of knowledge already in our posession.

--Dwight

policeluger 08-15-2004 04:00 PM

For a starter guys, this is a police gun, a very clean police gun in need of more details from the owner.

SteveM 08-15-2004 04:15 PM

More to the point, from what I have seen, it is a military code meant for the army, but was diverted to the police. A rarer variation than the banner police models.

Need more pics.......

SteveM

josephny 08-15-2004 04:37 PM

It's getting interesting.

I'll post more pics this week, of this and the other one (1918).

How do we know it's a polic gun, originally meant for the army?

Edward Tinker 08-15-2004 05:08 PM

In 1933 it was decided that sear safeties should be placed on police guns, not on army guns.

This is your police sear safety;
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...8_copy1ebt.jpg

Good eye, as usual Howard <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

josephny 08-15-2004 05:20 PM

Wow, again, how interesting.

I broke that piece last week while taking it apart/putting it back together (yes, I am embarrassed to admit this). I found a replacement (I hope) and now have to find a gunsmith who can do the right job.

That's why I have just what you see available to take pics of at this time.

I thought that this was sear spring -- is that part of the sear safety?

Is the expert's here position that this gun is too valuable/fragile/rare/tricky/whathaveyou to use, or should I feel free to enjoy shooting them as well as collecting?

Thanks!

policeluger 08-15-2004 07:17 PM

You sort of answered your own question, just a second of mishandling and a very collectable gun could have been runied, this is a collectable item, breaking a part in firing and you will hurt is value, this gun belongs in a collection, not at the range. Well my two cents worth anyway. I run a full time gun smith business, and can replace/repair the part and no need to send entire gun and pay high overnight shipping, send me your email address if interested.

G.T. 08-15-2004 07:51 PM

Hi Joseph! You absolutly cannot go wrong with this fellow! He will take care of you 100% in the most correct order possible!! best to you, til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

josephny 08-15-2004 08:04 PM

G.T. -- Thanks, that's nice to hear.

Judging from the history of interaction on this board, I came to the same conclusion.

josephny 08-15-2004 10:20 PM

policeluger -- I've sent you a private message.

josephny 08-30-2004 06:27 AM

I've spent the past couple of weeks trying to find the sear safety spring, but cannot.

Does anyone know where I can find one?

Thank you,

Joseph

Pete Ebbink 08-31-2004 06:04 PM

Hi Joseph,

Did you try LF member, LugerDoc (aka Tom Heller) for the sear safety...?

hellerarms@webtv.net

Regards,

Pete <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />


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