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New Chinese Parabellum

Hi All:

Over ten years ago, I read an article in the Deutsches Waffen Journal regarding a prototype, examined by the author, of a 9mm P-08 clone being produced in China for export sale.

Has anyone else heard of such a pistol, and if so, where?

Sieger

Nope, but I have started work today on a 45 ACPChinese Broomhandle. Man.........that is one BIG DUDE HOG LEG PISTOL!!!

I've never heard of a Chinese-produced Luger but wouldn't it be nice if they did? They're one country that could make them at a reasonable price.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Doubs:
I've never heard of a Chinese-produced Luger but wouldn't it be nice if they did? They're one country that could make them at a reasonable price.<hr /></blockquote>Doubs:

The sad thing is that I just remembered that gun grabber Bill Clinton excluded firearms from the goodies we can import from China. Oh well.

The German author was quite happy with the function of the Chinese Luger, but commented that finish was not up to European standards (something I'm sure the Chinese would have been happy to "fix").

Sieger

Thor...

I'll bet that Shansi Broomhandle didn't come w/ OEM 10rd stripper clips... lol

I had one of the IAR .45s w/ the QD stock.

Chinese steel sucks, so don't expect their P08 to rival anything that was manufacturered 60+ years ago. TOGGLELOCK

Wish I could read these markings on this 45 ACP Chinese pistol. I will post pictures on it later this week.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TOGGLELOCK:
Chinese steel sucks, so don't expect their P08 to rival anything that was manufacturered 60+ years ago. TOGGLELOCK<hr /></blockquote>Dear Togglelock:

Well, some of their steel sucks, some of it does not. I guess it would compare to the other firearms being currently made there.

The old steel used in their M98 copies often sucked!!

Sieger

PS: We can't import them anyway, so it won't really matter.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thor:
[QB]Wish I could read these markings on this 45 ACP Chinese pistol. I will

Thor:

These should be easy to read. Do we have any Chinese members?

It may be a bit to early to ask you, but what do you think of the quality of production of this Hand Cannon, as I may just buy on for myself.

Sieger

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Doubs:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sieger:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Doubs:
I've never heard of a Chinese-produced Luger but wouldn't it be nice if they did? They're one country that could make them at a reasonable price.<hr /></blockquote>Doubs:

The sad thing is that I just remembered that gun grabber Bill Clinton excluded firearms from the goodies we can import from China. Oh well.
Sieger<hr /></blockquote>That's true..... I'd forgotten about that. Maybe it's time we remind the administration that Clinton doesn't dictate Chinese policy any longer!

However, I'm sure our domestic manufacturers wouldn't be so pleased to have China exporting guns to the US again. Still, a policy limited to historic arms might be workable.<hr /></blockquote>Doubs:

You make an interesting point here regarding our firearms manufacturers, but what about everything else we are importing from them, all $134,000,000,000 worth of it?!?

It's ironic that Clinton stabbed the Unions here in the back with his China trade policy and they didn't even feel the knife blade.

Now the Dems are trying to blame the Republicans for "out sourcing".

Wonders never cease!!!

Sieger

My son is fluent in Chinese, so if you have any photos, please post them & we'll get a translation.

But check first if this DWJ article wasn't in the april issue.

Will do Hairy, thank you! I will have a full photo run up on it later this week.

Thor

The Feb/Mar 2004 issue of Handguns has a translation of the marks. They did a review of the gun in the Oct/Nov 2003 issue...

On the right side of the receiver it says "1929 made in Shansei, Republic of China". The other side caused some confusion. One person came up with "Model 17" while an article from American Rifleman in 1948 said in meant "Seventh Year" which equals 1918. Some noted that the characters of the two guns were similar but slightly different. The article said some mystery will prevail...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Thor:
Wish I could read these markings on this 45 ACP Chinese pistol. I will post pictures on it later this week.<hr /></blockquote>Thor, if you mean the www.gunsworld.com/mauser/c96/graphs/Shansei_R_CU.jpg then there the translation is wrong. It should be read from the right to the left (starting from the barrel side). The first five signs means "18 years after the last emperor" = year 1912, the remaining signs means a name, maybe Shang Sei.
If you have anything else, please post me a picture, I am presently a director of a large water project and the Contractor is a Chinese company.
Franz

Franz, please send me an email to Thor340@aol.com and I will email you the pictures of the Shansei Broomhandle I am talking about. Thanks for your help.